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batrotter wrote:I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but the US governement needs to start cutting funding for lots of things, including conservation and caving. We have a bunch of drunken sailors spending other people's money and it has to stop. I am glad to see funding cut for anything. Flame on!
batrotter wrote:I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but the US governement needs to start cutting funding for lots of things, including conservation and caving. We have a bunch of drunken sailors spending other people's money and it has to stop. I am glad to see funding cut for anything. Flame on!
derekbristol wrote:Cutting spending is a conservative principle... I'm not sure how much money the US government is spending on caving, but it's not much. Spending public money for public good is acceptable to me. Spending public money on corporate welfare is a problem. I don't think cutting funding on everything, as a blanket statement, is good policy.
wyandottecaver wrote:I work for the government and yea, there are places that need trimmed...hard. Then again the REAL money gets dumped into corporate welfare, kickbacks and "incentives" for big industry, and of course the pork for the districts.
Too bad our citizens are lazier and whinier than egyptians. We should have SHOT ever member of congress who voted for the bailout. Since when does ANY business need a "economic incentive" besides profit? In this case they just took our money and gave the corporations billions in profit for not producing ANY goods or services for the people. Yea...Thats sustainable.
The problem isn't with the government owning land...its with distribution. We plowed under a wetland larger than the everglades in Indiana to grow corn and build wallmarts. But Utah is essentially owned by the government......
BrianC wrote:Most environmentalists are not conservationists! Most Environmentalists have a narrow selfish agenda that fits their territory, but cares less what anyone with a broader understanding cares.
BrianC wrote:It is like closing the ocean because some kid pissed in a stream.
tncaver wrote:BrianC wrote:Most environmentalists are not conservationists! Most Environmentalists have a narrow selfish agenda that fits their territory, but cares less what anyone with a broader understanding cares.
I think you summed it up Brian. It took me a long, long time to realize the truth to what you are saying. I think the internet and caving forums have brought these realizations out into the open.
Perhaps we should be using the word preservationists to define those actions. Although lately there seems to be a huge blur between preservationist, conservationists and environmentalists.
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