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Leitmotiv wrote:
Honestly, I could care less if it was humans or bats that are spreading the disease. To me it's all a moot point. The bats are going to a take a licking and there's nothing we can do about it, except buy the bats some time.
BrianC wrote:Leitmotiv wrote:
Honestly, I could care less if it was humans or bats that are spreading the disease. To me it's all a moot point. The bats are going to a take a licking and there's nothing we can do about it, except buy the bats some time.
Yes I am biased in fact only. Your statement, also biased "buy the bats some time" can only mean that you believe that humans spread WNS, and keeping them out of the cave environment will slow the WNS progress, but your facts are missing. Still, it is good to have discussions from both sides of the fence.
Leitmotiv wrote:BrianC wrote:Leitmotiv wrote:
Honestly, I could care less if it was humans or bats that are spreading the disease. To me it's all a moot point. The bats are going to a take a licking and there's nothing we can do about it, except buy the bats some time.
Yes I am biased in fact only. Your statement, also biased "buy the bats some time" can only mean that you believe that humans spread WNS, and keeping them out of the cave environment will slow the WNS progress, but your facts are missing. Still, it is good to have discussions from both sides of the fence.
I'd like to also point out here, that I'm on no side of the fence really. As noted by "it's all a moot point." You however, seem to think in black and white terms.
Dr. FRICK: Well, there's no link between the two fungi, that are the chytrid fungus that's attacking amphibians and this Geomyces destructans that's attacking the bats. But it does, you know, speak to the broader problem of wildlife disease and pathogens creating significant risks to species. And in the case of white-nose, the potential role of humans moving pathogens around.
BrianC wrote:Phil Winkler wrote:Heard this this morning:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129031005
"Yeah, well, you know, so, with humans moving pathogens around so."- not exact context, but its all there.
Duh now! He must have read that in some history book. another fine example of journalism from NPR.
Leitmotiv wrote:The part you misquoted, originally noted by mae, is what she and I have a problem with:BrianC wrote:Phil Winkler wrote:Heard this this morning:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129031005
"Yeah, well, you know, so, with humans moving pathogens around so."- not exact context, but its all there.
Duh now! He must have read that in some history book. another fine example of journalism from NPR.
The first sentence you tried quoting NPR, but did so erroneously.
In regards to your possible quote. It's a well established fact that spores are hardy things and can disperse far and wide, by many methods. It is no stretch of the imagination and therefore possible, that humans could spread it. But it's quite a different thing to suggest that the humans are a vector, which I am not doing.
Like you, I too am miffed that humans are perceived as the spreading agent, when I don't believe that to be the case. But I also realize that we still can spread them, albeit, not very well or in any large quantities like the bats are. It's possible, but not very bloody likely.
BrianC wrote:Dr. FRICK: Well, there's no link between the two fungi, that are the chytrid fungus that's attacking amphibians and this Geomyces destructans that's attacking the bats. But it does, you know, speak to the broader problem of wildlife disease and pathogens creating significant risks to species. And in the case of white-nose, the potential role of humans moving pathogens around.
Leitmotiv wrote:yeah I kind of figured that a long time ago.
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