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Sungura wrote:Oh ok so the idea is attract bats to artificial cave and treat a whole bunch there to protect...however many are attracted to said cave. Yes?
*shrugs* I guess I'm still the "let nature take it's course" type. It kinda tends to do that anyway however much we try to stop it. Don't get me wrong I love bats and don't want to see them die, there's just only so much you can do to fight Mother Nature.
Red herring.Squirrel Girl wrote:Sungura wrote:Oh ok so the idea is attract bats to artificial cave and treat a whole bunch there to protect...however many are attracted to said cave. Yes?
*shrugs* I guess I'm still the "let nature take it's course" type. It kinda tends to do that anyway however much we try to stop it. Don't get me wrong I love bats and don't want to see them die, there's just only so much you can do to fight Mother Nature.
You mean like AIDS, small pox, syphillis, polio and the like?
Sungura wrote:Red herring.Squirrel Girl wrote:Sungura wrote:Oh ok so the idea is attract bats to artificial cave and treat a whole bunch there to protect...however many are attracted to said cave. Yes?
*shrugs* I guess I'm still the "let nature take it's course" type. It kinda tends to do that anyway however much we try to stop it. Don't get me wrong I love bats and don't want to see them die, there's just only so much you can do to fight Mother Nature.
You mean like AIDS, small pox, syphillis, polio and the like?
NZcaver wrote:Maybe because those are people diseases?
I'm another person who strongly suspects nature will take its course with WNS, regardless of what we humans do or don't do.
Sungura wrote:A "Red Herring" is a term for a logical fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention. We're not talking about humans, about viruses, about individually given vaccinations. We're talking about bats, a fungus, and spraying fungicides.
I never said it wasn't worth investigating. I'm not saying we shouldn't brainstorm and try things. I'm saying, I have yet to see any practical method to control this and I fail to see how a fake cave helps thousands of bats...spraying fugicides doesn't exactly make them immune so the issue still arises. And bringing up that list of diseases has nothing to do with the issue at hand, hence, red herring.
And yes, some bats will be resistant and repopulate! That's the wonder of mother nature and evolution. There was a topic on the uk cave forum about WNS and from what I gathered, back in the 1960's or so they had a fungus (there, europe? i forget details) but basically the tl;dr I gathered was it ran it's course, lots of bats died, some didn't, those reproduced making bats resistant, and populations re-flourished. :)
ArCaver wrote:Do you have a link to that UK cave forum thread?
Sungura wrote:A "Red Herring" is a term for a logical fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention. We're not talking about humans, about viruses, about individually given vaccinations. We're talking about bats, a fungus, and spraying fungicides.
I never said it wasn't worth investigating. I'm not saying we shouldn't brainstorm and try things. I'm saying, I have yet to see any practical method to control this and I fail to see how a fake cave helps thousands of bats...spraying fugicides doesn't exactly make them immune so the issue still arises. And bringing up that list of diseases has nothing to do with the issue at hand, hence, red herring.
And yes, some bats will be resistant and repopulate! That's the wonder of mother nature and evolution. There was a topic on the uk cave forum about WNS and from what I gathered, back in the 1960's or so they had a fungus (there, europe? i forget details) but basically the tl;dr I gathered was it ran it's course, lots of bats died, some didn't, those reproduced making bats resistant, and populations re-flourished. :)
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