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underdog wrote:If you are climbing in tandem - a pig tail is vitually required for the top climber if there is a lip - which means changing over to it on ascent.
LukeM wrote:Dan Henry wrote:Sort of along the same lines, I have crossed some really nasty lips going down by using the footloop of the upper frog ascender as a step below the lip to get a bit of slack in the mainline to get the descender safely past the lip. Frog and Texas systems both utilize such a footloop, so you don't really need an etrier.
Dan, could you explain in a little more detail? Are you attaching the ascender just above the descender when you do this?
Once you get up as high as you can get--i.e. you're right at the lip--attach this third gripping point of attachment to the rope (anywhere above your center of gravity is fine) and then you can safely remove your top ascender. Do that, and then put it on the rope above the lip. (If you're frogging, then at this point you may want to stand up some in your footloop to get your Croll even higher, and then move your upper ascender even higher.) Finally, remove your lower ascender(s) and replace them above the lip, and remove your extra ascender.
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