tncaver wrote:rptyd wrote:tncaver wrote:Only problem is, government wants them all closed. That does not compute.
From a conservation aspect, you're right it doesn't compute.
Now let's look at it from a slightly different perspective. From a military standpoint, it is an extremely well thought out, strategic move.
No conspiracy theory in this, just good, solid facts.
It's hard to control a populace that you can't find.
Show us the facts. I don't follow this reasoning but I am willing to listen.
The facts come from history itself.
When any populace is felt threatened, whether it be real or perceived, there will always be those that hope for the best but prepare for the worst and of course you will always have the fatalists.
Caves have been used as dwellings for eons by humans, in migration, emergency shelter and standard living. In times of war, caves have been utilized as hideouts, base of operations and sometimes just a bolt hole.
During the holocaust a great many Jewish people survived by hiding in caves, to the dismay of the German regime.
The Japanese hid in caves during the war ("Cave Flushing"
Thousands of Okinawan civilians and Japanese soldiers hide in caves on the island. Many, believing torture and death follow capture, resort to suicide.
Nisei MIS of the 314th undertake the dangerous task of cave-flushing, trying to coax out Japanese soldiers and Okinawan civilians)(Get a lot of caves. And these caves can be used by army defensive position. That's why the troops moved to the south. Southside even get more.")"Tom Masui was with the 96th Division. He personally got nearly 2000 civilians to give up and emerge from caves or burial chambers. (It was Okinawan custom to build large tombs, or dig large caves, then bury their dead in massive urns. It became civilian custom and sometimes Japanese military custom during the campaign for the islanders to hide out in these places, which gave Nisei with a sensitivity toward centuries-old Japanese customs quite a problem.)"
The Jordan valley caves and surrounding areas has been used by the Bedouin and Jewish people for safety and shelter during the various wars that have plagued that part of the world for centuries.
There was extensive use of the caves on Guam in the years during the war and afterwords.
During the Civil War caves were used extensively for hiding, look at Vicksburg!
I could go on and on, this list is truly endless.
Any of this information is available on Google, but there is so much more that isn't.
For a government to close access to caves, that in itself would be pretty blatant, but if there just happened to be an issue that might keep them off the hook for accountability on cave closer. Well, it would seem quite foolish to not utilize such an unforeseen/foreseen (?) gift. There is so much going on behind closed doors these days that it's hard even to imagine what people are going to face in the future. People and Governments learn from past errors, not all but certainly some. If you can't control something, then you take the necessary steps and do preventative maintenance. We are all aware that our Government does not relish the thought of lack of control.
The facts are there, but no answers are.
I think at this point, considering the audacity of recent political agendas that this would be a wise move on the part of our government for internal security measures....
If something like this is actually put into effect, we will all be criminals by being cavers.
Not a nice picture!
Please forgive me for lack of credit on certain references, I wasn't into it tonight.