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You guys are trying to blame us when the most likely cause is YOU
wyandottecaver wrote:...if they make caving illegal, then the sport of caving as we know it (in this country) will end.
Joseph W. Dixon wrote:The claim that WNS is not spread by cavers has no scientific data to support it.
Joseph W. Dixon wrote:Now, as for the WNS situation, I do not advocate closing all caves as TncCaver so eloquently puts it, but I do take issue with this "anti-federal, US F&WS bad-guys" mentality that is so prevelant on this forum. Do you honestly think there is a huge government conspiracy to control all caves in the country? Because that is just plain stupid.
Joseph W. Dixon wrote: You don't like the solution? Fine, but unless you have an alternative solution
Therefore I bow out of this debate because unlike those cavers, my conservation ethic is much more resolute.
Joseph W. Dixon wrote:The US F&WS is doing the best they can to try and solve this problem. The US F&WS is chartered with coming up with a solution to this problem. You don't like the solution? Fine, but unless you have an alternative solution and credible scientific data to back up your solution theirs are the only options.
rptyd wrote:Bats have hitched rides on vessels
along with a myriad of other creatures throughout the centuries of exploration
and commerce on the high seas. Any of these harbors are well within the flight range of the
first suspected outbreak of WNS. Why in the world would the first assumption be
that some European caver or American caver abroad must have been the instrument
of delivery? Just wondering why not one paper written on this new menace has not
explored the most likely point of origin?
The majority of information that concerns cave/karst environments that are in possession of the US gov. was provided by caver/geologists, caver/biologist, cavers/hydrologists. etc............ The list goes on. Someone seems to have forgotten this. They are forgetting that we are not the enemy and that we have years invested in exploration and education. There are a lot of known cave locations that the gov. has but there are 10 times as many locations that they don't have. I seriously doubt that they are going to have many updates to locations from their finest providers. Looks like they might have to hire people to ridgewalk in the future and I don't know many cavers that would at that expense.
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