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KeyserSoze wrote:When doing splay shots, how would you record the data into the book without messing up the subsequent order of your stations?
Spike wrote:Paper is cheap compared to the other caving expenses
bronzzhorse wrote:I use CHEAP columnar paper from staples and MAKE my own colums.
Jeff Bartlett wrote:bronzzhorse wrote:I use CHEAP columnar paper from staples and MAKE my own colums.
I guess that works if you never, ever, ever get the paper wet, or damp, or moist, or muddy, or bring it near water.
Jeff Bartlett wrote: It's great if you find a non-standard solution that works for you, but when an admitted newbie is asking the questions, why would you suggest they abandon the "standard" way of doing things before they've figured out what works for them?
Jeff Bartlett wrote: Also, you should take more azimuth backsights. Just sayin'.
bronzzhorse wrote:If I have any intentions of working in a WET invironment, then yes, I get some cave survey or waterproof survey paper. ((no sense buying the expensive stuff when you DONT HAVE TO))
bronzzhorse wrote:SO, over a years time, at 1 survey per month, 1000 shots per survey, Thats 12,000 shots. you just spent $141 on PAPER ALONE
bronzzhorse wrote:So why is MY method and MY recomendation the one chosen to be 'not acceptable"?? Is it because MINE isn't the way YOU do it... kinda sounds that way to me....Like another way of saying "you shouldn't recomend ANYTHING that isnt the way I do it"..That just seems kind-of pretencious to me...Let THEM judge my method for themself, and let THEM make the decision for themself..... he MAY find SOMETHING usefull in it.
bronzzhorse wrote:I know, thats no excuse, but we were in a REALLY BIG hurry....Please don't ask why.
Jeff Bartlett wrote: bronzzhorse wrote:
SO, over a years time, at 1 survey per month, 1000 shots per survey, Thats 12,000 shots. you just spent $141 on PAPER ALONE
Your surveys are 1000 shots each? Who is in charge of the resurvey?
While there's no "one right way" to teach or do anything, I feel strongly that beginners should learn the standard approach first, then tailor that approach to suit their personal needs or those of a particular project as necessary.
but what standards we have are the result of 50+ years of failures and triumphs and learning from our own mistakes. The place for discussing creative new survey techniques is a separate thread, not when answering a new surveyor's question.
Well, what's wrong with tape and clino? What's wrong with using cave survey paper for cave survey? What's wrong with doing something the way 95% of cave surveyors do it, until such time when (or if) you think something else might work better for a given instance? Why do we feel compelled to all reinvent the wheel over and over?
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