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FiddleCaver wrote:I'm not sure why, but I don't believe that you can order a sten with cree leds. I'm betting it has something to do with the lenses or something.
Mark620 wrote:It would be the mounting of the LED...I will not fit the sten without modifications....
xcathodex wrote:frankly, anything brighter than what i currently have, or an SSC modified Sten even, would seem almost pointless. unless you want your fellow cavers to start wearing sunglasses.
xcathodex wrote:Steven Johnson wrote:I wish the Sten would beads available with Cree or other nextgeen LEDs as they are around 50% more efficient.
see above - I know for a small customization fee they will sell you one with SSC P4s, and possibly Cree XREs or Luxeon Rebels. you just need to tell them what you want. I had the same concern when purchasing, i didn't the older style of LEDs when several more efficient/brighter options are available.
who has an SSC loaded version on this board... Driggs?
CaverCraig wrote:Thanks, thats a lot of good info on the Sten Could you elaberate on the bulb choices as far as brightness and burn time goes. I'm interested in the differences in the SSC P4s, Cree XREs and Luxeon Rebel.
Thanks a lot Everybody
FiddleCaver wrote:I have to be honest, I'm getting ever so closer to breaking down and just buying a sten. I love building lights, but between the time and money I've spent on it I could've bought about 5 Stenlights. Maybe I'll get one and fix it up to suit my preference...
FiddleCaver wrote:the Q5 is just a different bin cree. Honesly, I would put the rebels in the Mo Betta category simply because they don't have either the brightness or efficiency of the SSC or the XRE. Brightness wise, you won't get any better than the SSC P4 (240 lumens), but they tint everything blue. For efficiency, the Cree XRE (228 Lumens) are the best and are just under the brightness of the SSC. The deal with the rebels is they are REALLY small and so you can put a bunch of them in a small space, but it seems to me that heat would be more of a commanding issue with a less massive product. Right now the best available rebels are at about the same efficiency and lumen output as the old P4 bin Cree (140 lumens) which was about 5 bin advancements ago.
xcathodex wrote:...beats me =) this is basically how i understand the hierarchy of 3W LEDs:
OLD:
Luxeon 3 (Apex, original Sten)
MO BETTA:
SSC P4 (Scurion, common Apex/Sten mod)
Cree XRE
EVEN MO BETTA:
Luxeon Rebel
Cree Q5 (is the Q5 a "bin" of XRE, or a new LED?)
FiddleCaver wrote:Well, all that was just from my own calculations and personal experience. Obviously, someone else came up with slight differences. My only other big thing with SSC's and Luxeon (not sure if this applies to the rebel) is the soft (silicone?) lens. This things just tears right off if you aren't careful (think SIT light) whereas the Cree has a glass lens that doesn't come off quite so easily.
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