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JoeyS wrote::kewl:
Is it an open air pit?
Can you disclose the county?
Indeed many dome-pits do that. I know of several and one in particular has a 300 freehang drop at the present rig-entry point but the ceiling extends high out of anyone's (present) headlamp. If there's another entry (far-far) above where one normally rigs then okay that extends the depth of the pit/drop.John Lovaas wrote:A lot of domes have vertical extent that goes above the rig point- thus the term "domepit". Does rigging a pit higher than the previous rig point make it "deeper", or does one have to find a route separate from the current measured one to redefine the depth?
bill fish wrote:Hi
Well...can ya tell us this?
Is it relavatively easy to get to IN the cave....or a real chore....and more importantly....whats the pit itself like?
That should be info safe to disclose...
And how about a picture or 2? Heck, take photoshop or something and crop/blackout any cavers in the pic so we dont know who to bother with questions ! :)
congrats!
Blll
John Lovaas wrote:I'd been reading your trip reports on the "US Caver's Forum", and your depth measurement sounds like it might be an indication of total vertical extent, rather than depth- but then again, this raises the question of just how one states the "depth" of the pit.
One of your crew had written that you bolted up and over from the traditional rigging point into a canyon that was above the dome. If I read the post correctly, you went from the existing drop point up higher into the dome. Or did you find a separate passage that got you to the new, higher rig point?
A lot of domes have vertical extent that goes above the rig point- thus the term "domepit". Does rigging a pit higher than the previous rig point make it "deeper", or does one have to find a route separate from the current measured one to redefine the depth?
I'll let the TAG folks here sort this question out ;-)
I was also reading that you guys measured the pit by tying 7- 45 foot sections of string together- that was certainly novel! Are you unable to drop a tape with a plumb bob down the pit?
Signed- Curious Flatlander ;-)
Ralph E. Powers wrote:Indeed many dome-pits do that. I know of several and one in particular has a 300 freehang drop at the present rig-entry point but the ceiling extends high out of anyone's (present) headlamp. If there's another entry (far-far) above where one normally rigs then okay that extends the depth of the pit/drop.John Lovaas wrote:A lot of domes have vertical extent that goes above the rig point- thus the term "domepit". Does rigging a pit higher than the previous rig point make it "deeper", or does one have to find a route separate from the current measured one to redefine the depth?
Thing is though, if the (new) entry point is merely a bypass that doesn't lead into anymore (other) passages then it's like... what's the point of bypassing to go way up there just so you can drop way down there, when you got a shorter drop to begin with? Of course some of us DO live for that sort of thing
tncaver wrote:The current Tennessee Cave Survey policy is to list a pit's depth
for the official record as measured from the lowest rig point. At
least that is the policy for outdoor surface pits. Don't know if it is
different underground or not. I do know of a few exceptions to
that rule that have been allowed anyway. Technically they should
not be listed as deeper than the lowest rig point but a few in the
TCS are listed as being deeper than their lowest rig point.
ACENTHAHOLE wrote:Saturday we measured the new deepest pit in Tennessee at 285'! Sorry Mystery Falls. It may be a while before any other information is disclosed as the cave in question is a project cave.
hank moon wrote:ACENTHAHOLE wrote:Saturday we measured the new deepest pit in Tennessee at 285'! Sorry Mystery Falls. It may be a while before any other information is disclosed as the cave in question is a project cave.
Obviously, independent confirmation is needed before making a definitive statement. Mystery's still tops until that happens.
Regardless, sounds like a nice find - congratulations!
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