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It seems as though the NSS wants to be the control point for every cave-related activity in the US - to the point of interfering with activities that are non-NSS but could benefit caving in general.
Wayne Harrison wrote:Cindy Heazlit wrote:It seems as though the NSS wants to be the control point for every cave-related activity in the US - to the point of interfering with activities that are non-NSS but could benefit caving in general.
I am curious by this statement and would ask Cindy to provide some examples of this, since I am not aware of it.
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Cindy Heazlit wrote:1) The US cavers discussion board. Initially, this was a practice DB when the old DB administrator changed the software for the NSS. Some interested individuals played around with some alternate software, just for grins. That was months and months and months ago. When the NSS DB went down, these same individuals sent out some e-mails that an alternate DB was available. Multiple BOG members then sent out e-mails that the new DB wasn't the official NSS DB. I found this interesting, as the alternate DB in no way advertised that it was an NSS DB. And since the NSS DB wasn't available, I'm not sure what the problem was/is.
Cindy Heazlit3 wrote: I have heard more than one BOG member complain to me about the Cave Research Foundation. They seem offended that the CRF has activities outside the NSS. Like, who cares? Does it matter if the biggest cave was explored under the CRF instead of the NSS? Ironically, the CRF is a member of the NSS, and most of the CRF leaders are NSS members.
Cindy Heazlit wrote:It seems as though the NSS wants to be the control point for every cave-related activity in the US - to the point of interfering with activities that are non-NSS but could benefit caving in general.
3) I have heard more than one BOG member complain to me about the Cave Research Foundation. They seem offended that the CRF has activities outside the NSS. Like, who cares? Does it matter if the biggest cave was explored under the CRF instead of the NSS? Ironically, the CRF is a member of the NSS, and most of the CRF leaders are NSS members.
Cheryl Jones wrote:I don't want to take us off on a wild side track from the main thread topic, so please everyone keep talking about why you joined the NSS!
Cheryl Jones wrote:BOG members are free to have their own opinions of course (which is what keeps the Board an interesting place!), and when they speak, they don't necessarily represent the NSS.
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It is unfair to reach a conclusion about the "official" attitude of the NSS by using the personal opinions of a couple of NSS members who were serving on the Board at the time. In the same way, the actions and opinions of a few NSS members can't be used to establish the position or opinion of the full NSS.
Cheryl Jones wrote:Your three examples did not explain how the NSS wants to control every cave-related activity "to the point of interfering with activities that are non-NSS but could benefit caving in general." What activities has the NSS interfered with to the detriment of caving? What are we trying to unnecessarily control? I must be missing something.
Are you only referring to your ongoing issues with the Western Region of the NCRC?
Cheryl Jones wrote:I know you've had some bad experiences with the group, know your trials of trying to have the Board do something about it, and I have heard other sides of the issue. The tangled web of personalities, problems, politics, and finger pointing over the years has been a sad state of affairs, and I'm really sorry it has been so tough on you. I've heard your rescue courses are very good. I do wish there was a way I could undo all the problems and hard feelings with a magic wand, for I think that is the only way things could ever be made right at this point. I'm sorry that your experience with NCRC turned you against the whole NSS.
Cheryl
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