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hunter wrote:I should note that I am very, very happy to discover I don't usually cross rebelay's in the same fashion as either Stan or Derek! I always clip my long cowstail in as backup but I almost always clip into either the bolt hanger, maillon/locking biner or knot depending on which one I can reach. On rare occasions I mix this up with a backup on the loop if the previously mentioned points are hard to access for some reason. Somehow a short fall onto the bolt/knot strikes me as nicer than a longer fall onto the loop but I'm only moderately thrill seeking.
Cody JW wrote:Caverdan -Now that you have the Ta Ta's figured out , have you figured out a way to accurately weigh the rear end. I think there was a reference to that in the article also.
caverdan wrote:Jeff, in hindsite....no....not sure I want to study that ass-pect of the article.
Phil Winkler wrote:TAG is definitely no exception. All women trips, vertical and horizontal, are not unusual at all. They also just held another Chickfest at Blue Spring. They hold many leadership positions, volunteers on the NSS News, etc., etc. Makes me proud to know them.
Tlaloc wrote:So what?
GroundquestMSA wrote:Tlaloc wrote:So what?
I agree, so what? If the extent of two masses of fatty, lobulous, material makes their bearer worthy of any extraordinary recognition or esteem, then the patrons of my local Wal-Mart are certainly some of the most praisworthy individuals living. Indeed, they have cultivated (through much toil, great intelligence, careful study, specialized technique, and superior talent) some of the most pendulous and imposing edifices ever to dangle from the human chest. These constantly threaten to escape their cotton NASCAR sponsered containers and flood the floors with explicit evidence that some people are just plain old better than others.
Extremeophile wrote:I just received the May edition of the NSS News and there's again an article by Amy in which there's the requisite boob description. I don't come from a place of experience, but I just don't understand why it's such a prominent part of every cave activity. I'm sure others would find it odd if all of my trip reports included a section on penis management issues. I'm not sure that climbing rope with big boobs or doing big vertical drops as a woman is a pioneering accomplishment.
In this article, and in other locations where she has published, there's some background framework that suggests caving, and especially vertical caving, is male dominated. She suggests that she regularly encounters the attitude that women simply aren't capable of doing these types of things and that she is proving these people wrong. I applaud her accomplishments but I certainly hope her experience with gender discrimination is unusual and isolated. Although I'm male, and my experience may be biased by that fact, I thought we had long since moved past any culture of male superiority in caving. Many of the most skilled and accomplished cavers (vertical or otherwise) that I know or know of are women, and many of them have been caving at or above the levels of their male peers for a very long time. I've been inspired and motivated by such greats as Pat Kambesis, Carol Vesely, Nancy Pistole, Pat Crowther, Barbara AmEnde, Erin Lynch, Heather Levy, Andrea Croskrey, Johanna Kovarik, Peg Palmer, Jan Conn, Jen Foote, Rene Ohms and Hazel Barton. These and many other women have been role models for many cavers, regardless of gender. In fact it's one of the things I like most about caving that we have, at least in my experience, such gender equality.
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