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Shane S wrote: You will also find that many cavers will not let you on their rope with an Al rack. If you are going to load up on someone else’s rope it's just plain common courtesy to have a stainless rack.
ian mckenzie wrote:Shane S wrote: You will also find that many cavers will not let you on their rope with an Al rack. If you are going to load up on someone else’s rope it's just plain common courtesy to have a stainless rack.
Really?
I was once denied use of an American's rope because I had a Frog system. How things have changed!
hank moon wrote:I got a good laugh that this silly (anti - Al) bias is still in effect. Apparently, the voice of tradition has a looooooong decay.
Chads93GT wrote:I would rather keep aluminum out of my ropes. Its not tradition, its a personal preference.
trogman wrote:Yes, I am not real fond of aluminum racks on my ropes either.
graveleye wrote:Oh and no aluminum on my ropes either... paid too much money for them!! Sorry!
NZcaver wrote:kmstill wrote:How much do y'all feel that aluminum deposits affect rope handling compared to inherent rope type (pit vs easybend, #mm....)? Anyone out there feel so strongly that they wouldn't let an aluminum user on their rope? If so, why?
Yes - me. There are a few others out there too. [...]
Personally, I highly doubt "aluminizing" rope will cause a significant (dangerous) reduction in strength. But I do feel it's permanently detrimental to the handling properties, and that's enough for me to prefer aluminum bar racks and figure 8's not be used on my ropes. However I'm happy using combination stainless and aluminum devices, as long as the stainless surface absorbs most of the friction and wear (like with the Petzl Stop).
Once a rope is aluminum-black, there's almost no point in cleaning it at all. It's not about making the old caving rope look new again - we all know that isn't going to happen! But once rope gets really black, even after cleaning it's still difficult to properly inspect the fibers for damage... in my humble experience.
I know plenty of cavers are happy with aluminum devices on their ropes - and that's fine. [...]
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