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Chads93GT wrote:It's not the cave entrances that are being effected. It's the entire recharge are and In perry county that's a big damn area. Larger than mammoth cave national park if in not mistaken. But in probably wrong.
Chads93GT wrote:No, he is not being made a scape goat, that is what I am saying. he simply has a cave entrance. That doesnt mean that he is more of a target, or less of a target, if the fish becomes endangered. It simply means that he has a cave entrance, nothing else. There are 700 caves in that county and 696 of them are on the east side of the interstate between the interstate and the mississippi river, the larger part of the county on the other side of the county has 4 caves. If you own property on the east side of the interstate, chances are you have a cave. There are lots of people effected by this. This guy simply decided to be vocal.
Jpiecuch wrote:I'm surprised by the level of environmental antipathy in some of the posts in this thread. . .
Complicated situation obviously. I know I'm on a caving forum, and a caver, but it's not all about the caves. Some caves that host threatened species should be closed if the situation merits it.
Conservation and caving can and should go hand in hand.
Jpiecuch wrote:I'm surprised by the level of environmental antipathy in some of the posts in this thread. . .
Complicated situation obviously. I know I'm on a caving forum, and a caver, but it's not all about the caves. Some caves that host threatened species should be closed if the situation merits it.
Conservation and caving can and should go hand in hand.
Chads93GT wrote:Jpiecuch wrote:I'm surprised by the level of environmental antipathy in some of the posts in this thread. . .
Complicated situation obviously. I know I'm on a caving forum, and a caver, but it's not all about the caves. Some caves that host threatened species should be closed if the situation merits it.
Conservation and caving can and should go hand in hand.
Sorry, but it hasnt even been proved that this fish is indeed a unique species and not just a sub species of the banded sculpin. Afterall, if they breed with the banded and produce viable offspring.........well.................
Point is, there is hardly anything known about the fish, this is a knee jerk reaction, like always.
tncaver wrote:Agreed Chads93GT. A totally screwed up knee jerk reaction by the USFWS if they go through with fencing off the guy's sinkholes. Especially if they fence them off 50 to 100 feet from the edge of the sinks. The big question is, does this situation merit closing off the cave? In my opinion no. There is no evidence presented in the article to merit any action in my opinion, unless it can be proven that pollution is harming the sculpins AND that it is originating from that landowner's sinkholes or his cave entrance.Chads93GT wrote:Jpiecuch wrote:I'm surprised by the level of environmental antipathy in some of the posts in this thread. . .
Complicated situation obviously. I know I'm on a caving forum, and a caver, but it's not all about the caves. Some caves that host threatened species should be closed if the situation merits it.
Conservation and caving can and should go hand in hand.
Sorry, but it hasnt even been proved that this fish is indeed a unique species and not just a sub species of the banded sculpin. Afterall, if they breed with the banded and produce viable offspring.........well.................
Point is, there is hardly anything known about the fish, this is a knee jerk reaction, like always.
Jpiecuch wrote:I'm surprised by the level of environmental antipathy in some of the posts in this thread. . .
Complicated situation obviously. I know I'm on a caving forum, and a caver, but it's not all about the caves. Some caves that host threatened species should be closed if the situation merits it.
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Conservation and caving can and should go hand in hand.
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