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gindling wrote:I have had the same thing happen though it was with 9mm static line and 10.5mm dynamic. Thats when I started zip-tying my free ends of my cowstails with two zip-ties each. I found duct tape to eventually come off especially in wet or very humid areas. Good thinking with the alpine butterfly.
cavedoc wrote:If you had been free hanging, how do you think you would have gotten out of that jam?
PeterFJohnson wrote:This is pretty similar to a situation I ran into once. The only difference was that a nano style biner "colocated" in the croll as opposed to the tail of the knot. John Harman(pantin apologist) happened to be there when it happened to me. So I think the logical conclusion is that this problem is caused by caving with John Harman or being John Harman.
I also tied into the rope with a butterfly and then stepped up on a ledge to take some of my weight off the croll. I remember it being a bit sporting. But the back up plan - had I been hanging in mid air - would have been to tie a 2nd butterfly below me and then step up in the loop of the butterfly.
jharman2 wrote:[I think I would have gotten out my extra ascender, attached it above my upper ascender, transferred my foot loop to the extra ascender and tried to stand up and fiddle with the Croll. Would it have worked? I don't know.
Jeff Bartlett wrote:I'm very curious if the new Petzl Croll -- with a smaller rope channel, corresponding to the decrease from 8-13mm rope to 8-11mm rope -- eliminates, or at least mitigates, this issue. I just don't see how much else can fit in there with an 11mm rope loaded.
driggs wrote:Or will the smaller rope channel make it more difficult to get un-stuck when a 6mm pack tether, a webbing footstrap, or a 3mm dyneema footcord gets eaten?
If only someone had one of these mythical new ascenders and could answer this question for us...
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