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gdstorrick wrote:Tail outside is weaker. So what. If it matters, your rope is too weak to begin with. You would back the tail up anyhow - assuming you even use bowlines any more - and that also changes the story <grin>.
All of those knots backwards are the same as those knots forward.
[re bowline] Tail outside is weaker. So what. If it matters, your rope is too weak to begin with. You would back the tail up anyhow - assuming you even use bowlines any more - and that also changes the story <grin>.
The tail outside is more likely to get snagged and loosen the knot.
Apparently for the knot purest, there is a "right" and "wrong" way to tie the figure 8 bight depending on which side the standing part of the rope exits the knot. Exhibit A - a 6 year old post from our old friend rescueman.
I'm rather dismayed that the clear image of the red Fig.8 loopknot has taken now
several responses to figure out that it is "right", in THIS forum--this knot that
is soooo easy to check!
There is a discussion of the "Sideways Bowline" on this forum that involves the wrong way to tie what looks like a bowline,
There is a right way and a wrong way to tie the knot called the retraced overhand bend, ring bend, or water knot in rope. I am posting pictures of the right way, the wrong way, and the top and botom views of how the wrong way can distort.
This knot is commonly used for webbing, for which there is only one way of tying.
gdstorrick wrote:knudeNoggin wrote:..., those doing tests usually report ...
Some old literature reports a difference, ...
Personally, I have never seen a knot strength test report that had statistically significant numbers and adequate hypothesis testing to support the claims. Most "tests" seem to just break a few knots (very few) and then report the raw data without any proper analysis.
Then people argue about what it means .
Billy wrote:If you have a copy of Setnicka's Wilderness Search and Rescue book, ...
I know he goes into the "proper" figure eight, bowline and such. ...
I'm away from home right now and don't have it in front of me, otherwise I'd post the pertinent information.
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