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shibumi wrote:Yep, you are just as free to express your opinion like anyone else. If I, someone who doesn't really have a position on the issue, read it that way then you might want to examine how you came across if it was not your intention to be offensive. As for the other point: I was addressing Jansen's implication that somehow moderators are above reproach. I'm a member of another hobbyist website that has a distinct moderator "elite" and it's pretty obnoxious there, I'm glad that that sort of attitude doesn't apply here.
David Grimes wrote:Tim, as I pointed out earlier I do not know any of the details about the project and never claimed that I did. I merely mentioned that to me it seemed odd that a group of cavers who have spent so much time on a project would suddenly want to open it to the public. There are a lot of details that are unknown to people outside of the ISS. It almost seems like my suspicions may have been correct seeing how the first ISS member to chime immediately starts attacking me personally after I express my opinion. If my suspicions are not correct and you have more details please enlighten us all. I have admitted I would like to know more and that my suspicions were probably wrong so I do not see why you are so upset. If my suspicions are correct then you can bet myself and everyone I know will fight this project all the way.
EDIT: I am also curious whats in it for the ISS? Will the ISS be managing the entrance and who can visit the cave through the new entrance? I just wonder why they are willing to pay out so much of their money to widen the road, there must be some payback for them.
literally made me laugh, as I doubt any elected official in Harrison County is even aware of the ISS. I realize the record has now been set straight, but a casual reader of these message boards could easily mistake your "suspicions" as truths. Furthermore, the ISS goes out of the way to be transparent, open, and accommodating to ALL cavers and interested people. There are no politics or hidden agendas whatsoever. I feel your prior posts could, and possibly already have, given impartial observers a negative perception of the ISS. I believe a more constructive approach to your concerns could have been to do more fact finding rather than post your inaccurate suspicions for the caving community to possibly misinterpret."maybe they were using the county and their political position to fund their personal project."
David Grimes wrote: I only mentioned the ISS because the article specifically states the ISS will provide half of the funding to widen the road. I realize this is probably just an error on the writers part or perhaps a smaller group from the ISS is planning to fund the project under the name of the ISS.
"Roberson's Group" is in reference to Gary and the group of investors that are developing the cave and not the ISS, although I agree the article is very vague and leaves a lot of unanswered questions. I hope to learn more about this project myself in the coming days, weeks, and months. Just out of curiosity, since you live in Harrison County, have you spent any time in the Binkley complex? I've been pretty involved in Binkley caving the last several years, but I don't recall caving with you at any point specifically.Mathes said he would like to split the cost 50-50 between the county and Roberson's group.
We already have 4 commercial caves in the state of Indiana. I'm not convinced another will draw any more visitors, but... no one asked me.
NZ, I would just like to Chime in here if I may. Tim is a new poster but I am familiar with Tim and he has been on many of the key survey trips into the cave along with Nick (2.0) . I think Nick is the son of John Benton who was in on many of Garys early trips to the cave. I would defer to Tim or Nick as I know he and Nick have contributed much to the survey and likely know Gary better than many others on the forum. I would also like to back up Nicks claim of The ISS being transparent. They along with Dave Everton welcome anyone to join their efforts regardless of ones experience. They have a web group where they give details of all of their trip reports to anyone who wants to be on the list. Dave is willing to customize a survey trip around the experience of anyone who wants to join. The ISS and this survey is as transparent as I have known in my 30 years of caving. I just wanted to post this to help qualify Nick and Tims opinions.NZcaver wrote:T-Bone wrote:David Grimes,
Do you often go on and on about subjects which you know absolutely nothing about? Just curious.
Tim McLain
Welcome to the forum, where everybody goes on and on about subjects whether we know anything about them or not.
But seriously - if you're implying you know more about this Binkley thing, why don't you enlighten the rest of us? If not - did you really just make your first post a one-liner insulting our forum administrator? I mean, really?
Cody JW wrote:NZ, I would just like to Chime in here if I may. Tim is a new poster but I am familiar with Tim and he has been on many of the key survey trips into the cave along with Nick (2.0) ....
...The ISS and this survey is as transparent as I have known in my 30 years of caving. I just wanted to post this to help qualify Nick and Tims opinions.
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