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David Grimes wrote:I think we are all on the same side in this argument about cave closures but to address BrianC's comments earlier, the USFWS and other agencies get sued over management strategies all the time for various reasons. Sometime it involves land use and sometimes it involves lack of restriction on land usage. I have never seen a case where a group was compensated but these tactics are commonly used to address issues with government agencies.
According to the WildEarth Guardians 2010 annual report, it received $153,545 in legal fees. The Center for Biological Diversity received $685,981 in legal returns, according to its 2010 annual report.
Tutchton defended the practice of suing the federal government for missing petition deadlines, saying such litigation is necessary to keep the government accountable
wyandottecaver wrote:*bam* All this time we have been worried about paying for a broken down shriners drinking club....all we gotta do is become taxpayer leeches like CBD......
(Coleman) "The methods we used for this exercise preclude the generation of confidence estimates,..." What? What the heck does that mean? What scientific peers will review this?
"This means they were drinking in the error bars."
John Lovaas wrote:I've asked two people with experience with statistics(one with an actuarial background, the other with a biomedical background) to interpret Jeremy's statement. The answers:
A) It's BS.
B) They lack the data to state a minimum or maximum number.
Sigh.
Sam C. wrote: ''Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it.''
-Mark Twain
"A sub-group of these scientists is working on a manuscript for publication that will provide a further level
of detail regarding the mortality estimate. We do not yet have a publication date."
PYoungbaer wrote:From the U.S. Fish and Wildlife letter:"A sub-group of these scientists is working on a manuscript for publication that will provide a further level
of detail regarding the mortality estimate. We do not yet have a publication date."
The NSS looks forward to seeing the peer-reviewed scientific information USFWS publishes.
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