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gdstorrick wrote:For me, the Cuddington 3-phase works best. Maybe it would work for you, maybe not. If you never tried it and don't give it a serious try it in the future, you will never really know if it would help you or not.
Anonymous_Coward wrote:gdstorrick wrote:For me, the Cuddington 3-phase works best. Maybe it would work for you, maybe not. If you never tried it and don't give it a serious try it in the future, you will never really know if it would help you or not.
Care to 'splain what you're talking about here? Never heard of that one. Some kind of Mitchell system?
paul wrote:It is also worth consdiering how you grip the ascender. I was taught (and indeed have seen it recommended in various articles on frogging) not to grip the handle but to clasp both hands together behind the ascender.
This improves technique so that your arms tend to only hold your body inwards towards the rope while your much stronger leg muscles so more of the work. You shold not need to pull your body upwards using your arms, only to keep your body in close to the rope.
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Also, for this reason, it is often recommended to get an ascender without a handle (like the Petzl Basic) if you only use the ascender while prusiking. This not only saves weight and size but promotes a better prusiking technique.
I say "Friends should not let friends climb short drops with a ropewalker, I have both frog and ropewalker . Very simple- Frog = light weight compact system for short drops. Ropewalker= not as compact as frog but much more efficient and more suitable for long drops with no rebelays. I am top heavy and fight like hell with a frog to keep my upper girth close to the rope, but I still love it for short drops. Normally do not use my ropewalker unless I go to TAG.gdstorrick wrote:Anonymous_Coward wrote:If you actually read my original post...
Yes, I did, and I was trying to suggest considering another system. You talk about your arms getting pumped. Maybe your technique is bad, or maybe your body build isn't right for frogging long distances. My arms get tired if I try to frog that far, so the same comment applies to me. Adding a Pantin doesn't help me, switching to another system does. And yes, there are other systems that can cross rebelays quite well, if that's your thing.
I have nothing against the frog, and despite the old saying "Friends Don't Let Friends Climb Frog," I've been teaching folks to use the frog (among others) since the 70s. A few of them switched to the frog permanently. Others did not. For me, the Cuddington 3-phase works best. Maybe it would work for you, maybe not. If you never tried it and don't give it a serious try it in the future, you will never really know if it would help you or not.
And to the lurker reading this (you know whoo you are): I haven't learned to stay out of these discussions yet. Going down in flames again......
Gary
Anonymous_Coward wrote:I get the argument for losing the handle, even I don't use it that much. My hangup is that they don't make the Basic in a left-handed version. I am hung up on using a left-handed ascender there because I always have. Probably not a compelling reason I know, but we all have certain ways we like our gear to be. Maybe I should just use a croll there in place of the ascension. It's sort of like a left-handed basic. I already do this with my canyoneering SRT rig. Hmmm....
gdstorrick wrote:Jeff Bartlett wrote:Also worth noting: my technique in long, free drops sure improved tremendously when I moved to TAG. That's your best bet, right there.
Great advice. What am I doing in the Corn Desert when I get weekly job offers in TAG?
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