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Scott McCrea wrote:No matter what you do, frog systems and climbing harnesses will not be efficient. They maybe good enough, but not efficient.
Caver John wrote:Scott McCrea wrote:No matter what you do, frog systems and climbing harnesses will not be efficient. They maybe good enough, but not efficient.
But that is my point, I can get a minimum of 18-20" with my setup. So what's your Idea of efficient? How much rope do climb per cycle with your frog setup?
Now I'm by no means advocating for people to intentionally use climbing harnesses for srt, but if if need be, it can work just fine.
Caver John, I would not sweat what others think. I leaned that a long time ago. The important thing with vertical caving is to be safe. I am sure what you do is safe and if it works for you ,great. I said in an earlier post that unless you are in the climbing contest that there are no prizes for first place. With the way I am built and my age I know that there are very few people I am going to beat up the rope. I feel what I do is safe and that is all that matters to me. We live in an era with lots of equipment to choose from and not everyone is using the same stuff. I think that is a good thing, as long as it is all safe. If you get 18 to 20 inches per step on a frog you will beat me up the rope hands down, even if I have a low attachment point and yours is higher. I feel this forum does what it is supposed to do by allowing the exchange of info of those who participate in the same activity. I have learned a lot and feel fortunate to have the knowledge of others on this forum to learn from. I have been caving for 30 years and learn stuff from this forum almost every day.Caver John wrote:Paul,
I understand your logic, but it only make sense if there's slop in the system. Wih my chest harness on, (which consists of a loop of webbing over my shoulders and a bungy to keep it tight), there's very little slop when I stand. That coupled with the technique of pulling the rope through with ones feet( foot lock?) makes everything work really well. I'd say I have average legs too.
Caver John wrote:^ well said. I know what I do is safe and effective. My intention for this post was simply to show it's feasable for someone to use a climbing harness for srt effectively, if need be.
Chads93GT wrote:I started out with a climbing harness as well. The thing I learned is that with a biner hooked through your waist and leg loops where the belay loop is located, you can inadvertently load the biner in 3 directions which is very bad. I ended up using deltas before I went with a caving harness.
Chads93GT wrote:I started out with a climbing harness as well. The thing I learned is that with a biner hooked through your waist and leg loops where the belay loop is located, you can inadvertently load the biner in 3 directions which is very bad.
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