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Anonymous_Coward wrote:(First time ever use of IMHO and YMMV, sort of a milestone for me. I just learned how to text last year...)
Scott McCrea wrote:NZcaver wrote: a breaking carabiner.
Scott McCrea wrote:NZcaver wrote: a breaking carabiner.
Amazingracer wrote:I recommend a Steel biner. Its a little heavier but wont groove out as quickly as an aluminum one. I use a steel Oval with my Stop.
NZcaver wrote:Groundquest, is your bobbin one of these?
Anonymous_Coward wrote:Smaller diameter ropes are almost always faster, so I wouldn't necessarily go that route looking for more friction.
chh wrote:Dynamic climbing lines will always feel faster than static lines, but do learn how to use a breaking carabiner(s). Just because a descender has an assisted braking mechanism does not make it suitable for smaller lines, braking biners do though.
GroundquestMSA wrote:This was more than just faster, it was dangerously fast, thoughts of doing a leg wrap fast, maximum effort on the braking hand fast. I dont weigh anything at all and have never had the slightest trouble slowing myself down before. I also haven't used a braking carabiner. Any intructions?
GroundquestMSA wrote:I'm having a bit of difficulty learning exactly how to use a braking carabiner (slow internet connection = no video). How does the arrangement in the above photo add friction? Can someone give me some basic directions? I'm very, very slow of wit.
On the other hand, why do I want a device that requires additional parts to work properly? Is there any advantage to using a stop or any other bobbin rather than a rack? I bought the thing with a lot of other equipment and I already own and use a rack, so if there are no situations where a stop will benefit me I'll sell it. I would still love to know how to use it properly though, just in case I someday need to.
Thanks for the help so far.
LukeM wrote:Groundquest, if you hold the rope upward while it's through the braking carabiner it effectively acts as a braking bar. I would try the device with some stiff caving rope before passing judgement on it. Your climbing rope is surely very supple.
There are all sorts of reasons for using a bobbin style descender over a rack, just as there are reasons for doing the opposite. I would say the main arguments for using a bobbin are that it's simple, lightweight, and quick/easy to use. In the case of a 'stop' style bobbin, you have an extra safety in case you become incapacitated while rappelling. Some would consider this a huge benefit. In my experience a rack excels when negotiating larger drops, when on crusty, thick rope, and when carrying a heavy person.
GroundquestMSA wrote:I'm having a bit of difficulty learning exactly how to use a braking carabiner (slow internet connection = no video). How does the arrangement in the above photo add friction? Can someone give me some basic directions? I'm very, very slow of wit.
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