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Marduke wrote:I have often seen, and generally recommend putting a small screwlink between the croll and half round under the premise that one should always be capable of removing a jammed ascender from the rope without having to remove/compromise the integrity of your seat harness. If you jam the croll (personally seen it happen twice in a little over a year) and don't have this link, you have no way to remove it from the rope without opening your half round on rope.
It's the same reason you would never put a QAS or cowstail directly on your harness without using a biner.
Marduke wrote:If you jam the croll (personally seen it happen twice in a little over a year) and don't have this link, you have no way to remove it from the rope without opening your half round on rope.
Marduke wrote:It's the same reason you would never put a QAS or cowstail directly on your harness without using a biner.
Stridergdm wrote:Marduke wrote:It's the same reason you would never put a QAS or cowstail directly on your harness without using a biner.
My first thought when reading this (which I believe was similar to NZCaver's was) "You wouldn't?"
Honestly, I can't recall ever seeing a frog setup the way you're describing.
mgmills wrote:I was taught to connect my croll and cowstail directly to my harness d ring. I even know some people who connect their rack directly although personally I use a link to connect my rack because I like to be able to remove it to move more efficiently through the cave. I was also taught to connect my chest harness directly to the croll.
mgmills wrote:Stridergdm wrote:Marduke wrote:It's the same reason you would never put a QAS or cowstail directly on your harness without using a biner.
My first thought when reading this (which I believe was similar to NZCaver's was) "You wouldn't?"
Honestly, I can't recall ever seeing a frog setup the way you're describing.
I was taught to connect my croll and cowstail directly to my harness d ring. I even know some people who connect their rack directly although personally I use a link to connect my rack because I like to be able to remove it to move more efficiently through the cave. I was also taught to connect my chest harness directly to the croll.
Ch33s3n1p wrote:NZcaver wrote:Ch33s3n1p wrote:I'll try just running the neck strap directly through the top hole of the croll... the only reason I didn't do that to begin with was to avoid nylon on nylon contact.
If the chest harness webbing is threaded directly though the Croll, I don't see how that would be nylon-on-nylon contact. You should be fine.
Sounds good, I'll try it next time. I have tons of extra webbing, I'll try sewing a basic chest harness to keep the weight off my neck.
Sungura wrote:Per Marduke's advice I don't attach the croll directly to my halfround anymore, just used a short oval mallion (I think I'm naming that right, still working on names of things) and it looses me about 3cm. The thing i actually find more annoying is it "twists" around on it so sometimes it jams the side of the croll into my stomach instead of having it flat. Not That Comfortable because that's actually how it likes to be then. When it was directly attached, it always stayed on the side of the slot that kept it flat against my tummy. That might be the thing that makes me take it off and put it back directly onto the croll. I mean, I had a bruise where it kept hitting me after Fountain Pit the other weekend. And that's only 100ft.
Sungura wrote:The thing i actually find more annoying is it "twists" around on it so sometimes it jams the side of the croll into my stomach instead of having it flat. Not That Comfortable because that's actually how it likes to be then. When it was directly attached, it always stayed on the side of the slot that kept it flat against my tummy.
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