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Crevice Cave, Missouri, Echo Pit to Pipistrel thru trip

Postby Chads93GT » Mar 2, 2010 9:13 pm

Crevice Cave, Echo Pit to Pipistrel Door to Door, Saturday, February 27, 2010
After meeting up at the park-et, we headed to Weinrich’s to get changed then Edmund Tucker, Erin Tucker and myself ran over to Echo Pit to rig the ropes and wait for the others to show up. After what seemed like 30 minutes, the rest of the crew finally showed up. We had a group of 12 people today, including Don Bittle, Paul Hauck, Richard Young, Gary Resch and 5 others from the St. Louis area. Grottos on hand were the Little Egypt Grotto (host) S.E.M.O. Grotto and the unofficial grotto called ‘Were not a grotto”. I’m not sure how they actually spell it but they hate speleopolitics.
After they showed up, we took a group photo then I immediately dropped the pit. Erin followed moments later then Edmund came in on the 2nd rope and hung out near the top of the pit to take photos of some people coming into the pit. He ended up rappelling down with Richard after Paul made his way into the pit. After everyone was in I tied a series of butterfly knots in the 2 ropes to attach everyone’s gear bags to. Some of the group carried their harnesses and rack’s out with them; however, I wasn’t one of them.
We got started on the trip with Paul, Richard and Don taking the lead. Edmund, Erin and I were hanging out in the middle with the St. Louis crew in the back, followed by Gary. The passage was very easy going, and I didn’t have to duck under anything for the longest time. Although there weren’t any formations in the passage until we came to the backbreaker passage, which was a series of rotten rimstone dam’s at the entrance of the passage, it will still a cool part of the cave. It was an exciting day because some of us were getting to see more Crevice than just the historic door to door trip from Pipistrelle to Historic. I took a few photos as we walked through the South White Nile; however, nothing too special turned out, just people walking in a dark tunnel. At various points in this passage I found shoe leather from the old shoe factory in Perryville. Many leather scraps were dumped in Perry County sinkholes, years and years ago. By the end of this portion of the trip, Edmund and I had fell back to the end of the group to bring up the rear.
We got to the stoop walking area and we slowed down quite a bit as we could no longer move at a brisk pace. After ¼ mile of stooping, which wasn’t all that bad even though I am 6’3”, we were at the junction of the Eternity passage. I was standing right on the edge of the ledge above the river and Edmund gave me a push. I almost lost my balance and fell in the water and we all had a good laugh. We got to moving and headed up into the Paradise Room where we all sat down to eat lunch. It was at this time I noticed Don was pounding down a can of Red Bull. I guess if you are going to bring an energy drink into the cave, bring a red bull, it takes the least amount of pack space!
While most of us ate, Edmund was busy giving a crash course on cave photography with a side flash to the guys from St. Louis. He was also showing them how to set up night mode on their cameras for the photos, and the importance of having your head lamps turned off during the photos. Everyone finished lunch, and began to make their way to the Paradise Formation. Paul was already down there looking around, and I followed him shortly. He showed me the climb around the backside of the formation where there was a small rimstone pool with cave popcorn growing inside the pool. We found about 8 salamanders in the pool which were about 1/2” long as well. It was a pretty area. It was at this time I notice several large cracks at the base of the formation. Paul said they have been there ever since he discovered the formation years ago. I then noticed more cracks around the center of the column which have already began to grow back together, healing the formations breaks. It is hard to fathom how old this formation must be.
We set up Edmunds camera on my tripod to take a series of photos at the Paradise Formation. We took two grotto group photos as well as a couple single photos. I hadn’t had my picture taken in front of the Paradise Formation yet, so it was something that I definitely wanted. After all pictures were taken, we returned to our packs to head out. I had to pack my flash, and to my surprise when I opened my pack and got my dry bag out to put my flash in, I discovered someone had rocked my pack! Two or three large rocks were inside the pack that I tossed to the side as everyone laughed. Paul decided he should check his pack as well as he took off to the Paradise formation long before anyone else. Sure enough, he had a few rocks in his pack as well. Har har everyone. Too funny……………
We headed out to the entrance of North Merlin’s. This is where we were to depart ways. It was 2:30 p.m. and I told everyone else we should by all rights make it out of the cave by 9:00 p.m. That would give us plenty of time to take pictures, goof off, and move at a steady pace. 1:00 a.m. would be when they would come looking for us if they had not heard from us by then. Edmund, Erin and I were going to make the most of the trip and head down to the Eternity Room and to the siphon terminus of Crevice Cave.
After saying our goodbye’s to everyone we headed out and we could hear the other group talking and laughing, quite a ways down the Eternity Passage. At this time we decided we should take photos as we went along, as this was some very easy walking. We kept to the high road when we could, which were massive mud banks. It was like walking on sand dunes in the desert. Massive passage and massive mounds made for some amazing passage photos that showed the sheer size of the borehole we were walking through. We came to the 1st and 2nd pool, and sure enough I got into water up to my chest. I was definitely singing a tune higher than usual. After more photos and more walking we were at a beautiful white waterfall, pouring down over the top of a massive rotten rimstone dam that was long since undercut and bypassed.
We were now standing at the entrance to the Rimstone Passage and the North/South Rectal Passage. Erin climbed up top to give scale for the photo and she said there were more up top. We climbed up high and found the Rimstone pools that Paul told us about. These were amazingly beautiful, complex and extinct, but still flowing with water which was taking at least 3 to 4 different routes through the spillways before reaching the river below. After several more photos, we moved on and we came to another area with massive extinct rimstone pools which were mud caked and rotting away. Apparently there is airflow at this passage which chokes off quickly, and Paul thinks this is where the Coffee Pot cave comes into Crevice. More exploration needs done in the future!
Moments later we were walking in thick mud, Edmund took a high bypass tunnel and seconds later I was standing at the base of a massive mud slope which elevated itself all the way to the ceiling. We were finally at the Eternity Room. We took another quick photo then moved up the bank into the beginning of the room. We found a tiger salamander and a male spotted salamander. By this time we had already seen dozens of toads, frogs, and other bugs. We changed out our batteries and set up to take another photo from the top of the mud bank, down the passage, to the main breakdown climb up into the very top of the eternity room. Amazingly enough the photo turned out pretty good and we moved on. Moments later we were ridge walking inside of Crevice, with sloping banks leading 40-60 feet below us down to the streams. We made our way around the breakdown pile in the center of the room, and to the Liberty Bell formation. This was so huge that our powerful 220 lumen Fenix head lamps seemed to be turned off and not even working. We managed to get 1 photo taken from the Liberty Bell, facing downstream, but even with all of our lights it was still rather dim.
We made our way to the chimney in the back of the room, and I climbed up to the bottom of the hole and looked up into it. The air here was extremely cold and moving fast! Where is this entrance at on the surface? Surely it is too tight for a human to pass through. Moments later we were making our way back to the main river passage and heading towards the siphon. We were stopped abruptly by a bullfrog the size of a dinner plate. Edmund and Erin took a few photos while I trudged downstream through the thick mud. Erin wanted to stay behind but we talked her into coming with us anyway. After we got through all the breakdown mounds we were soon at a deep pool of water. I figured why not? I got into the water and headed as far as I could, which was far enough to see around the bend. Up ahead I could see the ceiling drop within 3 feet of the water, which as the last indicated ceiling height on the map. By this time I was in water chest deep with no wetsuit on and it was extremely cold. After we took a couple photos I got out of the water as fast as I could. I then changed my batteries so I wouldn’t have to again, put on a long sleeve base layer over my T shirt. Yes I have been in a T shirt up until now. I put my elbow pads back on and my gloves, packed my flash and we were off. It was exactly 5pm.
We made great time, heading back upstream, falling down the mud banks, sliding into the water, trudging through the thick mud, back into the Eternity Room and on top of the mud bank past the Liberty Bell. We couldn’t help but stop and gaze in awe at the sheer size of the passage once again. We headed out and wasted no time heading upstream. We came down one steep mud bank in two different places where I had to catch Erin from spilling into the water. I walked over to Edmund, looked down and saw a half buried grooved rock. I dug it up and sure enough it was a fossilized tooth, and a large one at that. We took a bunch of photos for identification and I noted that it has two large grooves in it. Maybe some type of bison or camel tooth?
After a short while we passage a semi large infeeder on the left that Edmund went into a ways while we stayed at the entrance. I noted that while the passage is noted on the map, it’s not mapped. Moments later we were looking at a large passage on the left, clay filled to the ceiling. Amazing. Where did this go? A minute later we were at the entrance to Merlin’s and it was only 6:15 p.m. We headed into Merlin’s and immediately came to the junction where we climb up into the paleo segment of the passage. To our left was the same sized clay filled passage that we just saw in the Eternity passage. Merlin’s used to flow out a different way but had been pirated long ago, amazing! We made our way through the crawling portion of the paleo segment of Merlin’s and decided it was time to eat again.
After eating and a funny story about a 40 mph gocart that Edmund used to have, we were on our way. By this time my knee’s ached a bit. They felt like they feel when I haven’t ran in a while, and I hit the 3-4 mile mark. Sore! Edmund wasn’t much better as his knees were hurting from walking on the mud banks. After a short distance we passed Independence passage and continued to Broadway. We climbed the fixed hand line up into the passage and took off through this massive canyon passage. The left walls were nothing but flowstone formations from the ceiling to the floor in places, and the right walls were filled with gypsum? Really? This is the first time any of us had seen gypsum in a cave and how amazing it was! We followed the passage until it got to crawling where we decided it was time to turn around. We took some more photos in here which turned out electrifyingly cool. One of them looked like I was standing inside of a giant flaming mushroom.
After we got out of Broadway we continued our journey towards the exit of the cave. We did have one more stop though. We stopped at the 6’ high waterfall over the black flowstone to take some amazing water flow pictures with our headlamps. No side flash was used here and the water spill effect was awesome! We headed onward and found 4 or 5 more tooth fossils, which had no doubt been found 100 times before. One of them was very large and crusted with sediment. Edmund took a few photos of the tooth and we headed out. We passed Perryville Road, climbed through the Quamen connection and I started noticing pools of water in the gravel. Jokingly I said “Well I was hoping we would have to crawl through water to get out of here.” We all laughed, untied our shoe laces then headed up the crawl. Erin was first and yelled back that she was crawling over the skeleton and fur of a dead possum. What fun! Moments later we were out of the cave and by this time I could barely walk to the car I had so much pain in my knees. Wow. The rest of my body felt like I could do another 3-4 miles easy, but I just haven’t been running, hiking, or caving much at all this year so my knees weren’t ready for a 7+ mile kick in the butt. We finished our night by going to Echo Pit to retrieve our ropes, gear then we went to El Torerro’s to eat before heading home. We exited the cave at exactly 9:00 p.m. then called everyone to let them know we were safe. Great trip!


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Re: Crevice Cave, Missouri, Echo Pit to Pipistrel thru trip

Postby Chads93GT » Mar 2, 2010 9:20 pm

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Group Shot. Left to right, Edmund Tucker, Richard Young, blue guy, brown guy, Me in the yellow petzl, brown girl behind me, another brown guy next to the other brown guy, don bittle in the light blue cave suit, Paul Hauck red suit, Gary Resch green suit, Erin Tucker sitting, Tom in the green pants

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Erin getting ready to enter the Echo Pit entrance of Crevice Cave. Missouri's longest cave at over 29 miles surveyed.

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Paul getting ready to punch the camera with a blind side fist.

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Paul and the st louis crew in the background.

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Don Richard Gary and Paul having too much fun. I was the first one in so I was busy getting wet.

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Paul coming in through the culvert pipe.
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Richard Young on rope in Echo Pit
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Gear bags tied for the haul up after we get out
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I look enthused don't I?
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Re: Crevice Cave, Missouri, Echo Pit to Pipistrel thru trip

Postby Chads93GT » Mar 2, 2010 9:29 pm

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Don and richard in the south white nile. Not decorated at all but easy borehole walking till the last 1/4 mile before the Eternity Passage.

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Paul Don and Richard leading the pack of yahoo's.

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don giving paul the bunny ears

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Tom on the left in the white nile. Thats one crazy getup ya got there partner.

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Yeah, this water is warm! think i need a hair cut.

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Yeah stoop walking, just what a guy who is 6'3" like myself loves!

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formations growing in the Paradise Room.

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Husband and wife posing next to a formation on the breakdown pile on the back side of the paradise room.

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Here I am posing in front of the Paradise formation. Whipe out the latest issue of teh NSS news and flip to the back page. You will see this same formation in a photo by Dan Austin. Paul Hauck found this formation in the 60's.

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Here I am posing with Paul.
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Re: Crevice Cave, Missouri, Echo Pit to Pipistrel thru trip

Postby Chads93GT » Mar 2, 2010 9:35 pm

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Don Bittle, Richard Young, Paul Hauck, Chad McCain, Gary Resch, Erin and Edmund Tucker

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This is after we split off from the rest of the group and headed to the eternity room. Erin in the Eternity Passage with me on side flash.

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Erin in the Eternity Passage with me on side flash.

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Erin in the Eternity Passage with me on side flash. Notice she is busting a move.

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Side flashing in the Eternity passage borehole.

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Erin in the Eternity Passage with me on side flash.

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Erin in the Eternity Passage with me on side flash.

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Erin on top of a massive rimstone dam complex where there are many alive flows surrounded by ancient mud caked, rotting and eroding rimstone dam ledges. Amazing site to see.

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Erin on top of the massive rimstone dam complex in the eternity passage borehole.

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Erin on top of ancient rimstone dams spanning the eternity passage, just downstream from the rimstone dam complex.
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Re: Crevice Cave, Missouri, Echo Pit to Pipistrel thru trip

Postby boogercaver71 » Mar 2, 2010 9:41 pm

You write great trip reports Chad, thanks :clap:
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Re: Crevice Cave, Missouri, Echo Pit to Pipistrel thru trip

Postby Chads93GT » Mar 2, 2010 9:44 pm

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Erin in the Eternity Passage borehole while light it up with the side flash.

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Here I am posing under a weird water in faucet. It was dripping steady out of the hole in the ceiling.

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Erin in the Eternity Passage borehole while light it up with the side flash.

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Erin posing next to a black flowstone infeeder passage.

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Erin standing on top of the mud bank at the beginning of the eternity room. The eternity room is over 700' long, 175' wide and 60' high.

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Edmund is now taking a photo from about the same place erin was int he last photo. I am at least 150-175' in front of him with my side flash, erin is on top of the breakdown pile 25' over head and 50' further down the passage lighting up the ceiling. The sheer size of this room was breath taking.

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we are now on the back side of the Eternity Room looking downstream. I am about 75' in front of the camera in this shot. The wall you can see that I am lighting up is a good 150-175 feet away and the passage is so wide here, you can't see the sides of the passage even from this far away. This was taken with my flash, 1 modded apex on high and 3 fenix hp10's on turbo painting the walls with the lense exposure on 3 seconds. Even then the contrast of this photo had to be jack quite a bit. From the top of the breakdown pile behind this photo you cannot see this wall even on 220 lumens turbo. its amazingly huge.

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Past the Eternity room and heading towards the downstream siphon terminus of Crevice

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Here I am in the 40* water as close as I can get to the siphon terminus. The echo here was amazing.

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another shot near the terminus. around the corner i could see the 3' ceiling which was the last ceiling height designation on the map.
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Re: Crevice Cave, Missouri, Echo Pit to Pipistrel thru trip

Postby Chads93GT » Mar 2, 2010 9:51 pm

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A pleistocene horse tooth I found in the gravel in the Eternity passage on the way back to Merlins junction. This cave is still full of them even though many samples were taken years ago. A saber tooth from a tiger was found int his passage 40 years ago.

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Here I am at a 7' waterfall in Merlins passage.

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time for a side trip! ON all other door to door trips we pass the passage called Broadway and never go in. This was the first time we decided to go in since it was only 3 of us. Its a dry paleo segment with a 50' ceiling at the junction/intersection of merlins and the right wall on the way in is LOADED with gypsum. Ive never seen it before so I was thrilled. The left walls were covered in massive dry flowstone formations.

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Erin posing in Broadway.

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Towards the end of Broadway where it stops by a breakdown terminus. The walls in this passage were literally peeling apart. Very eerie. Flash is a bit bright but it was a cool effect.

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Here I am doing my best Super Mario impression, standing inside a giant mushroom, in the Broadway passage.

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Gypsum on the left, flowstone ont he right.

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Gypsum

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Broadway.

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Above merlins passage at the junction of broadway,50' ceiling.


This concludes our photo tour of the largest cave in Missouri. ;) Hope you enjoyed.
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Re: Crevice Cave, Missouri, Echo Pit to Pipistrel thru trip

Postby Cavemud » Mar 3, 2010 7:36 am

:kewl: Thanks for posting Chad! Great photos and report. Keep it up brother!
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Postby JR-Orion » Mar 4, 2010 3:03 pm

Very nice! Looks like a great time.

Thanks for posting all the pics.
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Re: Crevice Cave, Missouri, Echo Pit to Pipistrel thru trip

Postby stonewall » Apr 2, 2010 10:14 am

I appreciated the great narrative and photo journal of your trip. Paul H. was a caving machine back in 1973 when I accompanied him, Dr. Knox, J Weaver and others on several camping/mapping trips into Crevice. Prior to or just after Echo Pit and Pip. discovery. It was amazing, and quite a workout for a young college athlete. BTW...if you can sleep in a Crevice Cave....you can sleep ANYWHERE. Have always wondered why the giant cave systems of Perry County Mo. have not been protected, promoted or at the very least featured more prominently on film. It's amazing how few area residents realize the treasure...if you can call 29 miles of mud "treasure" beneath their feet. Crevice Cave still 35yrs, 4 continents and 25 countries later still remains a fond, albeit exhausting memory for me. Bill Evans, Dexter, Mo.
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Re: Crevice Cave, Missouri, Echo Pit to Pipistrel thru trip

Postby Chads93GT » Apr 2, 2010 12:29 pm

Thanks for the words Bill. Crevice is quite a large mystery still. There are many leads all over the cave, many unmapped passages, some of the rather large. (unexplored as well) It is rather amazing how little the local residents of the county know about the large cave systems, but at the same time it amazes me about what others do know. As for preservation of the entrances, 2 of the 3 belong to farmers that will not sell their farms, or split up their lands. One is gated, one isn't, the 3rd is gated and is quite safe from being destroyed, and those land owners are extremely nice and will let anyone into the cave who signs a waiver. one would think they would weed out the idiots as it is a 130 foot pit afterall.

Other caves in the area are gated (berome, mystery) but not really protected. Meaning the next owners of the farm in the future could see them as a liability and doze them in. doubtful, but possible. Last I knew, the historic entrance to rimstone was to be either dozed or filled with concrete. Not sure if it has been though.

Id love to save all of the entrances somehow, but I have n o idea how to start. Our grotto, Semo, just got 501c.3 status so I know thats a start, we just need a SCCI of missouri, but I don't see that happening. Afterall, people are eager to join the SCCI due to the amazing pit caves they aquired. Afterall, who wants to crawl around in 80 miles of mud tunnels in perry county? besides me of course.
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Postby Cody JW » Apr 2, 2010 3:23 pm

Chad, We in Indiana have The Indiana Karst Conservancy similar to The SCCI, except for IKC is more conservative in cave aquisition in a way that they buy a cave then pay it off before buying another.We also lease entrances from owners that may not want to sell but do not want to be bothered by cavers asking to go.IKC can assume liability with insurance in these cases.Also IKC has been able to get lots of grant money from large companies to buy land.I know laws differ in each state on liability and insurance.Also in Indiana you can get property classified as forest and reduce property taxes to nothing.IKC now has about 150 members and several properties.I am a member of both groups and manage access to two IKC caves.
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Re: Crevice Cave, Missouri, Echo Pit to Pipistrel thru trip

Postby Chads93GT » Apr 2, 2010 4:59 pm

Missouri does have the Missouri Caves and Karst Conservancy, but I don't know what to think of them yet. They have a few caves they lease and own, and ive been to part of one of their meetings. It would be nice if a local group could be started in the county to preserved the caves in the county. Personally, if I could buy the land around an entrance, I would; however, I have my eyes on property in another county hehe. Thanks for the info.
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Postby Teresa » Apr 3, 2010 9:56 pm

Chad,
I was a regular member #2 back when the MCKC formed around 1994. I was VP and on their board. I am no longer a member but I do support what they do. They are still a very viable organization, with enough money at least for a down payment on a major cave entrance. They *want* to partner with local people/and/or grottos as the "cave manager" for properties they buy or lease. They have more public, private and legal history and expertise than anyone else in the state and the seed money to do so. I wouldn't count them out of any cave mix.

In general, Perry County folks are very protective of their family lands, and as cavers we need to respect those wishes in order to continue to access them. Berome Moore Cave is legally leased, not just gated. That lease is periodically up for renewal. Most other cave access is dependent on a few people whom the owners trust. It is 'business the old-fashioned way." Glad to see that you're interested in protecting the caves; and yes, we need people like you who are local to help ensure that caves are available into the future.
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Re: Crevice Cave, Missouri, Echo Pit to Pipistrel thru trip

Postby Chads93GT » Apr 3, 2010 11:41 pm

Ive yet to meet the Berome owners (for the gated entrance) but Kris Hartman knows them well and said they are great people. Everyone I met who owns a rimstone river entrance are extremely nice, in fact one of our members father in law owns the rimstone entrance closest to promise falls, as well as other paleo rimstone segment caves. Mystery I have yet to meet the owner but always been told she doesnt want to be bothered and of course, other entrances are either off limits or...........whatever. Crevice owners are great too. If they never want to sell what they have, thats fine by me, as long as I never do anything to make them mad, its all good either way. I can't say I blame people around here for wanting to hold on to land that has been in their family since their grandfathers grandfather (and further back) owned the land.
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