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Ch33s3n1p wrote:I'm sure it will get picked apart by all the "experts" on here, but here is my rope experience (I'm leaving out the climbing part):
HKalnitz wrote:You know what? I have been around a bit and personally know a lot of the folks who have posted on this thread, and have caved with some of them. You are good folks. However, I can't quite get over how you guys come arcross as santimonious, hypocritical dicks in this thread.
Bill Putnam wrote: even though the climber ahead of me left the rope partly in the water.
bennettbike wrote:I'll add to Matts resume, I watched him perform a rescue in the Little River Canyon AL.
HKalnitz wrote:You know what?
I have been around a bit and personally know a lot of the folks who have posted on this thread, and have caved with some of them. You are good folks.
However, I can't quite get over how you guys come arcross as santimonious, hypocritical dicks in this thread.
If I were to sum this up in one line, it would be; You can't handle this cave, I can.
We have told the OP he can't read, can't spell, or is a darwin nominee. We have sent him off to DCG which could be as full of sancimonious cavers as this group is (don't know - not a member, making a point here). Even before the end of the thread the OP has signed off, probably never to return to forum, or possibly organized caving.
Nowhere, could I find an invite - "hey, come join our grotto meeting" or even better " I am doing some training, can you join?" or even " I am heading that way, and would be happy to help you with your skills in this cave"
I know we are all in shock from the recent untrained and totally preventable death in Ellisons. And god willing it won't happen again. But I fail to see how this thread will prevent it. You have driven away a possible member and future highly skilled caver. Who knows what he may learn now, or from who. We all have the right as well trained cavers to speak to prevent tragedy, but this for sure is not the way to do it. This should not be a group full of trolls or flamers looking to criticize or sermonize.
I try to make many invites directly from postings to trainings and trips - have done it many times (even invited the caver who will be our next grotto chair right from this board!). I have found many, even those who came across bad on the forum, to be execellent grotto members, organized cavers and willing to learn.
think about what you say and how you say it (as I probably should have in this message)
Howard
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If I were to sum this up in one line, it would be; You can't handle this cave, I can.
Bill Putnam wrote: And yes, some of their posts to seem to have a bit of attitude - a little bit of a chip on the shoulder
bronzzhorse wrote:Bill Putnam wrote: And yes, some of their posts to seem to have a bit of attitude - a little bit of a chip on the shoulder
Bill,excluding yourself, and one or two others (Chad, NZ, good looking out guys!) who have actually been CIVIL towards the OP, I'm thinking it could be the result of the way he was treated by the "Cave Nazi's" HERE as well.....way to go guys!!! You should all pat yourselves on the back!!!
Chads93GT wrote:bronzzhorse wrote:Bill Putnam wrote: And yes, some of their posts to seem to have a bit of attitude - a little bit of a chip on the shoulder
Bill,excluding yourself, and one or two others (Chad, NZ, good looking out guys!) who have actually been CIVIL towards the OP, I'm thinking it could be the result of the way he was treated by the "Cave Nazi's" HERE as well.....way to go guys!!! You should all pat yourselves on the back!!!
I figured.......... I wouldn't have seen that cave if it weren't for someone taking a group of people who hadn't done a big drop like that (always a first time right?) Besides myself, our of our group there was 1 other gal on the trip who hadn't done a big drop. My biggest was Mystery falls and I wasn't ready, nor did I know what the rope weight factor was going to be like. But our leader took us anyway. The gal was even short roped and had to climb back up fantastic pit, only to go back down and do the crossover. (our 600' rope shrank a lot, lol)
Point being, you can either be helpful or not. I choose to return the favor that was granted to me in such an amazing cave.
By the way, that guy who took the deeeep vertical noobs (including myself) in on the crossover trip was Bill Putnam.
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