LukeM wrote:BrianC wrote:I use real facts~~~~~~~~~~~~~ what I see myself!
And there's the problem. You sit down at your computer and look at the scraps of data that are available on the Internet and decide that whatever you come up with is fact because you gleaned it from actual evidence. Actually, that's not always the case. When bats showed up with GD and WNS further away than we thought bats could migrate someone (either you or tncaver) came up with a convenient theory about counter-rotating storms in the midwest which was promptly touted to be the "facts" necessary to explain any and all discrepancies. (where was this idea before WNS spread so quickly?) No mention that there were no recorded accounts of this happening before except at sea.
Armchair theory to "fact" is a rather large jump don't you think? Or are we just supposed to swallow the idea without too much thought because we need an explanation that exempts cavers so badly? Hell, I could come up with tons of seemingly plausible theories as to how WNS could spread so quickly without humans but I'm not going to put all my chips on one of them!
To quote the first post in this thread:Speculation must be avoided!
Now, I wouldn't be surprised if you take all this to mean that I think cavers spread WNS and that caves should be closed and so on. That would completely miss the point. I lean much further in the other direction. All I want is discussion about WNS where there's aren't "sides" and enemies, biases and motives, just bats and a disease. The political crap doesn't have a place in answering the original question asked here.
Luke , I think that you have missed my point. I have explained where my facts come from, There are ZERO facts that can provide evidence that cavers do spread WNS, unless of course you would like to provide them and then we could discuss them. The most recent findings (long range spread theory) have stated that ZERO White Nose Syndrome was to be found outside of normal migratory ranges. Spores, certainly will be found everywhere, we agree. But not White Nose Syndrome.