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eyecave wrote:i meant to say that you are saying that multiple factors can influence the reproductive activity of anything.....how can i argue that.......however, if you find out how fungi reproduce and realize that these conditions exist in all caves pretty much....a degree in micro isn't required to locate the answer......goggle fungi reproduction....
eyecave wrote:....i restate a question i asked earlier......how do fungi reproduce?........
Leitmotiv wrote:I can't even follow this thread because eyecave's typed english is poor and his use of the "quoting" button nonexistant.
Leitmotiv wrote:I can't even follow this thread because eyecave's typed english is poor and his use of the "quoting" button nonexistant.
BrianC wrote:Susceptible, again in this case, is a bat that has some immunity disorder that has developed from contact with an already infected bat.
John Lovaas wrote:BrianC wrote:Susceptible, again in this case, is a bat that has some immunity disorder that has developed from contact with an already infected bat.
Very little is known about bat immunology worldwide, and we don't really know anything about how B and T cells(lymphocytes/'white blood cells) function in North American bats.
In order to say there is an immunity disorder involved, we need to be able to define what a healthy bat immune system is, so as to be able to recognize a compromised immune system.
And science has not yet arrived at a place where we can say- here is the definition of a healthy bat immune system.
BrianC wrote:Points are correct, but why obliterate the obvious? It may not be an immunity to viral strains, rather an occurrence of missing another fighting agent therefore leaving the bats compromised and susceptible to the fungus.
speleo wrote:As a retired teacher, I can tell you that I would give his posts a failing grade if they were turned in as an assignment. But, I only have a normal level of education.
tncaver wrote:Leitmotiv wrote:I can't even follow this thread because eyecave's typed english is poor and his use of the "quoting" button nonexistant.
......you think.......? ......one can't help but wonder.......about the thought...processes that are going on....inside that head..........
caverdan wrote:eyecave wrote:i meant to say that you are saying that multiple factors can influence the reproductive activity of anything.....how can i argue that.......however, if you find out how fungi reproduce and realize that these conditions exist in all caves pretty much....a degree in micro isn't required to locate the answer......goggle fungi reproduction....
So do the GD spores reproduce by fragmentation or sporulation?
eyecave wrote:i am sure that you will address select parts of my answers to you...
i don't think a further discussion will be fruitful for you as long as your arguments revolve around denying that spores are how fungi reproduce........you are also denying indirectly that the reproductive activities of this species of fungus requires the activities of other factors...how can this argument be countered......i restate a question i asked earlier......how do fungi reproduce?.....a degree in micro isn't required to locate the answer....
humans are certainly the only one of those creatures you allude to that are completely controllable...
i can't see my making a claim for inventing decon....
...i am making a slightly sarcastic statement about "most" deconning properly and "most" avoiding bat populated caves.....my point being "most" won't work here........its gotta be all......
....your answer, "fungi don't spread via spores"..(goggle "fungi reproduction")...how can i present my points....when that answer is how you justify continued caving activity and opposition to most restrictions...."normal human characteristics"......i have spent my life studying that subject and i am absolutely convinced that the majority of human behavior is instinctively controlled.....humans have a characteristic called selfishness...they are born with it, ask any parent, your blind defense of unrestricted caving is, in my opinion completely normal for you and all of the other cavers who see wns management protocol as a permanent end to all caving instead of being an inconvenient evolutionary period of time...
WELL NOW ITS NOT GIVING UP CAVING FOR A LIFETIME, JUST THAT ONE TRIP LONG ENOUGH FOR BATS CAPABLE OF SURVIVING THEIR FIRST ENCOUNTER WITH WNS DIED BECAUSE THEY WERE WEAKENED THAT FIRST WINTER AND WE WALKED THRU THEIR BEDROOM...
does anyone disagree that stopping all caving activities within the say 30 mile area of wns infected cave during all hibernation months is a reasonable idea?.....
wns, how long has it been around in other parts of the world?.......
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