There was a gated mine in the same general area as Howe Caverns that was infected approximately the same time as Howe. A gated mine that had no caver
visitation. That kind of screws up the caver vector theory from the git go.
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ArCaver wrote:I was asking because Howe Cave seems to be cited as ground zero. There were some who said this was evidence of people bringing it in because Howe Caverns is heavily visited. Then I heard that photos had been taken as early as 2004 showing the telltale fungus and I wondered what cave they were from, or if there were any from earlier than that.
Teresa wrote:ArCaver wrote:I was asking because Howe Cave seems to be cited as ground zero. There were some who said this was evidence of people bringing it in because Howe Caverns is heavily visited. Then I heard that photos had been taken as early as 2004 showing the telltale fungus and I wondered what cave they were from, or if there were any from earlier than that.
This is the mitigation scenario sequence which makes things insane:
1)Fungus discovered in Howe Caverns --heavily visited show cave.
2) Fungus discovered in nearby gated mine.
3) Cavers accused of bringing/spreading G.destructans spores/WNS because there was a caver event in upstate New York.
4) Cavers from Europe targeted, even though no cavers from Europe attended the caver event.
5) Wild caves across the country closed to humans (mostly cavers) because of point 3.
6)WNS continues to be found in gated caves and mines, and caves closed to human visitation.
7) Bat to bat infection discovered in hibernacula, where most cavers do not go in winter.
8) More caves shut across the country, including Missouri. Two caves found with G.d and WNS: one a private land cave generally off-limits to cavers and the newest a gated bat cave with unbreached gate.
9)With the exception of Dunbar in TN, $how caves$ with only cursory screenings of visitors remain open.
10) Cavers who disinfected gear kicked off wild cave tour because they were "known cavers." Members of general public allowed to proceed on tour.
Therefore cavers must be major known vector of WNS and should report to disinfection chambers immediately.
If any of the above makes any sense as a logical "If -Then" series of statements please email me. I have a bridge to sell you.
Teresa wrote:ArCaver wrote:I was asking because Howe Cave seems to be cited as ground zero. There were some who said this was evidence of people bringing it in because Howe Caverns is heavily visited. Then I heard that photos had been taken as early as 2004 showing the telltale fungus and I wondered what cave they were from, or if there were any from earlier than that.
This is the mitigation scenario sequence which makes things insane:
1)Fungus discovered in Howe Caverns --heavily visited show cave.
2) Fungus discovered in nearby gated mine.
3) Cavers accused of bringing/spreading G.destructans spores/WNS because there was a caver event in upstate New York.
4) Cavers from Europe targeted, even though no cavers from Europe attended the caver event.
5) Wild caves across the country closed to humans (mostly cavers) because of point 3.
6)WNS continues to be found in gated caves and mines, and caves closed to human visitation.
7) Bat to bat infection discovered in hibernacula, where most cavers do not go in winter.
8) More caves shut across the country, including Missouri. Two caves found with G.d and WNS: one a private land cave generally off-limits to cavers and the newest a gated bat cave with unbreached gate.
9)With the exception of Dunbar in TN, $how caves$ with only cursory screenings of visitors remain open.
10) Cavers who disinfected gear kicked off wild cave tour because they were "known cavers." Members of general public allowed to proceed on tour.
Therefore cavers must be major known vector of WNS and should report to disinfection chambers immediately.
If any of the above makes any sense as a logical "If -Then" series of statements please email me. I have a bridge to sell you.
cavergirl wrote:most recently confirmed WNS sites on BCI map
http://www.batcon.org/images/stories/WN ... eLarge.jpg
Teresa wrote:
This is the mitigation scenario sequence which makes things insane:
1)Fungus discovered in Howe Caverns --heavily visited show cave.
2) Fungus discovered in nearby gated mine.
3) Cavers accused of bringing/spreading G.destructans spores/WNS because there was a caver event in upstate New York.
4) Cavers from Europe targeted, even though no cavers from Europe attended the caver event.
5) Wild caves across the country closed to humans (mostly cavers) because of point 3.
6)WNS continues to be found in gated caves and mines, and caves closed to human visitation.
7) Bat to bat infection discovered in hibernacula, where most cavers do not go in winter.
8) More caves shut across the country, including Missouri. Two caves found with G.d and WNS: one a private land cave generally off-limits to cavers and the newest a gated bat cave with unbreached gate.
9)With the exception of Dunbar in TN, $how caves$ with only cursory screenings of visitors remain open.
10) Cavers who disinfected gear kicked off wild cave tour because they were "known cavers." Members of general public allowed to proceed on tour.
Therefore cavers must be major known vector of WNS and should report to disinfection chambers immediately.
If any of the above makes any sense as a logical "If -Then" series of statements please email me. I have a bridge to sell you.
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