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wyandottecaver wrote:If your USFWS region is anything like ours pippin you better pray those historical gray populations are still historical......Shelta cave is likely to become a cautionary tale....
Also, While doing an ID between a Gray and IN Bat wouldn't be hard for a trained observer, the ID between IN Bats and Little Browns is another matter entirely short of handling or toe hair level eyballing. I know people who say hanging posture and the so called "mask" are characteristic. I'm not sure I really agree, but Ive found that when you get 6 experts and 6 "maybe" bats you get about 12 answers I think some bats can be sight distinguished between IN and LBB, but most are going to require a VERY close examination for a truly good ID IMHO.
BrianC wrote: I noticed that the worries here in Tennessee have been concentrated only on the species of bat that they know a lot about (their kids I guess). But I don't see concern for all bats at the forefront of their research towards WNS issues. This is troubling! Some one please set me straight!
Thanks for clearing that up, and thanks for the introduction. You certainly seem to understand the reason cavers are so upset with cave closures.cavergirl wrote:BrianC wrote: I noticed that the worries here in Tennessee have been concentrated only on the species of bat that they know a lot about (their kids I guess). But I don't see concern for all bats at the forefront of their research towards WNS issues. This is troubling! Some one please set me straight!
The primary reason for this is that the only money TWRA gets for studying bats is for endangered species which here in TN is Indianas and Grays. This was brought up at the original TNCKWG meeting in the summer, and again at the public meeting last weekend.
They really have very little info about hibernacula for little browns, pips, etc. Cory told us that this year, for the first time, they will band all bats caught in traps in the summer. Previously only listed bats were banded.
cavergirl wrote:"The primary reason for this is that the only money TWRA gets for studying bats is for endangered species which here in TN is Indianas and Grays. This was brought up at the original TNCKWG meeting in the summer, and again at the public meeting last weekend.
They really have very little info about hibernacula for little browns, pips, etc. Cory told us that this year, for the first time, they will band all bats caught in traps in the summer. Previously only listed bats were banded.
And when cavers asked at the meeting “how can we help? “, Cory and others repeated that the biggest help would be for cavers to tell the biologists where the caves are that harbor large populations of “other” ie, non-listed bats."
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