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NZcaver wrote:You seem to be on a quest to find ultralight gear - may one ask why? Do you have a big remote expedition coming up? Are you also switching your handled ascender(s) for Petzl Basics and going with thinner ropes to save some weight? Have you found a maillon harness that weighs less than 11oz yet? (That's what my lightest harness weighs.)
xcathodex wrote:for my money it's worth a couple extra grams for Petzl Spirits or equivalent aluminum keygate carabiners.
NZcaver wrote:You seem to be on a quest to find ultralight gear - may one ask why? Do you have a big remote expedition coming up?
NZcaver wrote:Are you also switching your handled ascender(s) for Petzl Basics
NZcaver wrote:and going with thinner ropes to save some weight?
NZcaver wrote:Have you found a maillon harness that weighs less than 11oz yet? (That's what my lightest harness weighs.)
xcathodex wrote:i'm buying a set of gear myself and was surprised to read that you (EK) are looking for ultralight wiregates to use as cowstail carabiners. that's life support, and for my money it's worth a couple extra grams for Petzl Spirits or equivalent aluminum keygate carabiners.
xcathodex wrote:both vertical and alpine caving techniques recommend the keygate style. not sure what on rope recommends.
hank moon wrote:xcathodex wrote:for my money it's worth a couple extra grams for Petzl Spirits or equivalent aluminum keygate carabiners.
The snag resistance of the keylock design is an important advantage, but wiregate weight savings and clog/jam resistance may be more important, depending on the circumstances. Fortunately, all of these attributes are available in a single unit...
http://www.dmmclimbing.com/productsDeta ... id=&id2=39
http://wld.brtest.co.uk/Products/Karabiners/Helium/
Why do you assume that wiregate carabiners are in any way more marginal than solid-gate carabiners? They tend to be stronger and less prone to opening accidentally, their gates are stiffer and gate tension doesn't decrease nearly as much over time, or very much at all as the result of dirt impregnation, and traditional wiregate closures tend to have the same ability to push away mud as solid-gate keylock closures (i.e. better than average but not that great).
xcathodex wrote:you're misinterpreting - nobody said wire gate carabiners aren't as good as solid gate carabiners. but there is a general consensus that for cowstails, the keygate style is ideal. up until a few minutes ago i didn't realize anyone was making a keygate wire carabiner.
ek wrote:NZcaver wrote:Have you found a maillon harness that weighs less than 11oz yet? (That's what my lightest harness weighs.)
Having said that weight is not the only thing that matters to me, nonetheless, my interest is piqued. I have *not* found such a harness. Please do tell!
NZcaver wrote:Sorry, it's my own *secret* design. Shhh Light, comfortable, highly adjustable, and well-engineered (in my humble opinion). Everything you need, nothing you don't. Seriously, I was going to write up this big article about this harness, but I've never quite got around to it. It's now been about 4 years since I made the prototype, I think. Oh well, maybe one day...
NZcaver wrote:You could always do what a friend of mine has done, and make a working Frog system out of a pair of Tiblocs.
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