Twisted carabiners or maillons: anyone know of any?

[Ernie Coffman]

Hey there! Look at this link and scroll down to No. 5 and see if this is what you wanted to find out about.

http://rescuesystemsinc.com/cart2/asp/p ... Carabiners

As far as your racks, there are the standard ones and the one with a 90 degree twist in them, which makes it easier to keep your bars in an upright position.

[MoonshineR DavE]

I saw a carabiner on ebay a while back that if I remember correctly was twisted 180 deg.

Let me know if you find any with a 360 degree twist... right now I'm using two 180 degree 'biners in series and would like to "simplify" my setup!

Oops! Guess I meant a 90 deg.. Drrrrrr.

[lostgravity]

So to explain a bit I got a Troll Allp which is a pretty nifty descender but it seems to be designed for climbing style harnesses because if you attach it to a caving harness it is rotated at 90 degrees to what it should be.

Not quite a contribution to the topic of this thread, but out of curiosity: Where did you get your Allp? I recently tried to buy one. The only folks selling them that I found are in the UK, http://www.sarsupplies.co.uk, and they have not been very responsive to my emails...

[fuzzy-hair-man]

So to explain a bit I got a Troll Allp which is a pretty nifty descender but it seems to be designed for climbing style harnesses because if you attach it to a caving harness it is rotated at 90 degrees to what it should be.

Not quite a contribution to the topic of this thread, but out of curiosity: Where did you get your Allp? I recently tried to buy one. The only folks selling them that I found are in the UK, and they have not been very responsive to my emails...

Got mine on ebay, mine is not one of the new fangled ones with the stop handle (Troll Allp Pro) but only has the screw to vary friction. AFAIK the older Troll Allps aren't made anymore so I imagine you can't get them new. The new Troll Allp Pros look very nice though if only they were a bit cheaper.

Fallright make a descender pretty similar to my Allp though. http://www.fallright.com/store/product.asp?ID=610

There are a few places on the web that list the Troll Allp Pro so perhaps try another?
http://www.atrisk.com.au/fall.htm
http://www.tagsafety.com/acatalog/descenders_belay_devices.php
http://shop.rigging-partnership.co.uk/index.php?cat=Rope_Access__amp__Rescue (Sort of, as part of a rescue kit)
http://www.frsa.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=2828 (emailed these guys but never got a reply)
http://www.rigtechnology.co.uk/detail.aspx?intP_ID=271

[lostgravity]

Got mine on ebay, mine is not one of the new fangled ones with the stop handle (Troll Allp Pro) but only has the screw to vary friction. AFAIK the older Troll Allps aren't made anymore so I imagine you can't get them new. The new Troll Allp Pros look very nice though if only they were a bit cheaper.

Fallright make a descender pretty similar to my Allp though. http://www.fallright.com/store/product.asp?ID=610

Cool, I didn't realize that, thanks. I asked them for a quote. I'm really just looking for a convenient way to set up a treadmill.

There are a few places on the web that list the Troll Allp Pro so perhaps try another?

Thanks for the list, will check into it!

[NZcaver]

FYI - in my experience, Troll Allps work great for treadmills.

Like FHM, I also found mine on eBay (brand new and cheap). Lucky find, I guess. I have a second one, a slightly different version and still brand new, but I'm holding onto it for now - sorry.

Happy hunting!

[MoonshineR DavE]

Finally ran across the 90 deg. twisted biner.


http://www.onrope1.com/store/index.php? ... 9&parent=5

[fuzzy-hair-man]

Finally ran across the 90 deg. twisted biner.
http://www.onrope1.com/store/index.php? ... 9&parent=5

NZCaver beat you to it I'm afraid, but he posted the same link earlier on in the thread, problem is none of these Stubai crabs aren't imported to Australia so perhaps I'll have to put in another overseas order.... perhaps once I have more items on my wish list

I have found something that'll do the job (twisted shackle) but I'm a little concerned because it's not a CE or rated item so I'm not sure how it's rated or what the tolerances are etc... but hey there's a climbing gym near here that uses similar for their floor anchors.

It's something like this one with a maximum breaking strength of 54kN I don't think I'm gonna break it but I still get concerned using non climbing rated stuff: (I'm not sure but I think the lower load value might be a deformation load)
http://ronstan.thomasnet.com/item/stainless-steel-rigging-hardware/stainless-steel-shackles/rf631?&seo=110

The other thing that I'm not sure about is the way these do up ie the pin and how vulnerable to being knocked loose it might be, but if I loctite it up I shouldn' be able to come undone.

[lostgravity]

Right on, I got my Allp.

Fallright make a descender pretty similar to my Allp though. http://www.fallright.com/store/product.asp?ID=610

I asked them for a quote, and got $350 as reply.

There are a few places on the web that list the Troll Allp Pro so perhaps try another?
http://www.atrisk.com.au/fall.htm
http://www.tagsafety.com/acatalog/descenders_belay_devices.php
http://shop.rigging-partnership.co.uk/index.php?cat=Rope_Access__amp__Rescue (Sort of, as part of a rescue kit)
http://www.frsa.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=2828 (emailed these guys but never got a reply)

Didn't try these.

Originally, I entered an online order at http://www.sarsupplies.co.uk/shop/shop. ... 4310637a7c for one, but the credit card processing stuff looked funky and like it did not went through. So I sent them an email. And never got a reply. But about three weeks later I had my Allp in the mail.

http://www.rigtechnology.co.uk/detail.aspx?intP_ID=271

I contacted them about a quote after thinking that the link above (MFC supplies) didn't work out, and got back a very friendly reply telling me that they had forwarded my request to the Allp's developer for connecting me with a local dealer.

Dave Allport indeed replied and referred me to Smithfield in New Orleans, quoting an email address that bounced. Didn't try the phone number.

Dave said he didn't mind his contact info posted here, so here goes: dave at sar-products.com

[NZcaver]

Damn, that's a lot of money!

I won't tell you how much I paid for each of my Allps... it might make you cry.

[chainsaw66]

SRTE in Australia had twist maillons specially made for them by the company in France. They have a web site

[gdstorrick]

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[leeallport]

Hi

My Fathers e-mail address is Dave@sar-products.com or you can try sales@sar-products.com.

Please do not hesitate to contact us with regards to any questions about the Pro Allp.

[NZcaver]

Welcome to the forum and thanks for the contact information.

I now own 3 of your father's designs, two regular Allps and a Pro Allp. Nice toys.

[gdstorrick]

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