Scott McCrea wrote:RDMPLOWOC: Really Dumb Manual Prusik Lock Off With Out Carabiner. or Radically Deployed, Magically Protected Locking Outer Link With Orange Clipper.
nice!
but it only refers to the lowly sling...
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Scott McCrea wrote:RDMPLOWOC: Really Dumb Manual Prusik Lock Off With Out Carabiner. or Radically Deployed, Magically Protected Locking Outer Link With Orange Clipper.
Dwight wrote:NZcaver wrote:With most other systems, as far as I know, there's no need to use a cowstail for changeovers.
I use a frog. For changing from up to down, I clip my short cowstail on the rope just above my upper ascender and then sit, putting my weight on the upper ascender via the short cowstail. I pull slack upward through my Croll and attach my rack above the Croll. I can then stand on my footloop, unclip the short cowstail, and sit on my rack. This is described in "Alpine Caving Techniques" though he is using a bobbin, of course.
hank moon wrote:NZcaver wrote:Still, I usually carry an additional small ascender which can be clipped to my cowstatil to make a QAS. I guess I just like a touch of overkill...
Hmmm. Doesn't sound very "Q" to me. Maybe we need some more useless acronyms. How about
FQAS fairly quick attach safety
NSQAS not so quick attach safety
RSAS really slow attach safety
or the "new" alternatives:
SQAS sorta quick ascender safety
NTQAS not that quick ascender safety
TSAS turtle-speed ascender safety
NZcaver wrote:Certainly a QAS-ish device can make changeovers easier with a full rack
Dwight wrote:NZcaver wrote:With most other systems, as far as I know, there's no need to use a cowstail for changeovers.
I use a frog. For changing from up to down, I clip my short cowstail on the rope just above my upper ascender and then sit, putting my weight on the upper ascender via the short cowstail. I pull slack upward through my Croll and attach my rack above the Croll. I can then stand on my footloop, unclip the short cowstail, and sit on my rack. This is described in "Alpine Caving Techniques" though he is using a bobbin, of course.
NZcaver wrote:Dwight wrote:NZcaver wrote:With most other systems, as far as I know, there's no need to use a cowstail for changeovers.
I use a frog. For changing from up to down, I clip my short cowstail on the rope just above my upper ascender and then sit, putting my weight on the upper ascender via the short cowstail. I pull slack upward through my Croll and attach my rack above the Croll. I can then stand on my footloop, unclip the short cowstail, and sit on my rack. This is described in "Alpine Caving Techniques" though he is using a bobbin, of course.
:doh: Of course, I forgot about full-size racks. My brain obviously wasn't properly engaged there. :oops: I assume you're using a full size rack? Certainly a QAS-ish device can make changeovers easier with a full rack - although I've usually seen it done (and tried it myself) by attaching the short-sling QAS and disconnecting the Croll before threading the descender.
I normally use a short rack or Stop, and therefore no QAS for that particular application. Carry on...
fuzzy-hair-man wrote:Dwight wrote:NZcaver wrote:With most other systems, as far as I know, there's no need to use a cowstail for changeovers.
I use a frog. For changing from up to down, I clip my short cowstail on the rope just above my upper ascender and then sit, putting my weight on the upper ascender via the short cowstail. I pull slack upward through my Croll and attach my rack above the Croll. I can then stand on my footloop, unclip the short cowstail, and sit on my rack. This is described in "Alpine Caving Techniques" though he is using a bobbin, of course.
I'm confused, what you just described doesn't use an ascender safety or extra ascender safety or whatever we are calling it, your ascenders for prussiking are still on the rope. Why isn't this just a changeover (even if hooking your short cowstail into/above your upper ascender is a bit tricky)(I've seen this done for knot crossings too except a little differently because with the clip in loop at a knot crossing you don't need the chest ascender attached to the rope)*
* A friend showed me when I started whinging about racks being too long and making changeovers and knot crossings difficult.
Scott McCrea wrote::off topic: Frog changeovers would make a nice, new thread. hint, hint.
hank moon wrote:NZcaver wrote:Certainly a QAS-ish device can make changeovers easier with a full rack
Perhaps you meant to say "an extra ascender can..."
killian wrote:Always use a QAS. made it myself. never leave home without it.
hank moon wrote:Never trade eggs for madness. Whiling apart from the shibbly-done. Believe what the tree says, but not what they squirted.
LifeOnALine wrote:Carrying a tethered rope clamp with a footloop is a given for anyone using the Frog or derivatives, and I can see it being sensible for ropewalkers where their techniques can risk inversion during changeovers, or to aid past obstacles. Relying on it to arrest a fall in every scenario is a little less sensible.
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