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speloman wrote:I agree Rigging isn't anything you should be in a hurry with. I usually take my time and double and tripple check and have somebody else check it too. Can't be to safe in my opinion plus someone may see something I missed or vise versa. Before I get online I always check the rigging even if it was done my the most experianced rigger in the group and I am sure most of you do to. Most people I know don't get offended my me checking their rig and I never get offended either. I actually encourage it.
hank moon wrote:Tubo Longo wrote:I don't see any problem either in using webbing, provided they're tubular
Does this mean you think there's a prob w/flat webbing? If so, what?
GoHighGoDeep wrote:they're a lot lighter and, i believe around the same strength as 1" tubular webbing tied with a water knot.
GoHighGoDeep wrote:i can simply girth hitch them together! quick, easy and sure beats screwing around trying to adjust webbing lengths and knots. I still always have 35' of tubular webbing in my pack as well...
hank moon wrote:Big strength reduction when slings are girth together. Two 22 kN slings girthed result in a 10 kN (end to end) sling.
GoHighGoDeep wrote:... and if they aren't long enough to reach around a tree, i can simply girth hitch them together! quick, easy and sure beats screwing around trying to adjust webbing lengths and knots....
GoHighGoDeep wrote: Much easier to stuff in a pack with your rigging gear than that 25 foot length of 1" webbing too...
GoHighGoDeep wrote:Oh... someone mentioned backing up a fig-8... and I'd have to agree that backing up an 8 is not always necessary... if you can't tie the 8 right, what makes you think you'll tie the backup knot right?
fuzzy-hair-man wrote::exactly:GoHighGoDeep wrote: Much easier to stuff in a pack with your rigging gear than that 25 foot length of 1" webbing too...
Nothing saying it has to be 25' is there, if you have a selection of tape lengths generally we have 3m, 5m, and 10m tapes which are used for rigging and like Tubo said it doesn't matter if there is some left over.GoHighGoDeep wrote:Oh... someone mentioned backing up a fig-8... and I'd have to agree that backing up an 8 is not always necessary... if you can't tie the 8 right, what makes you think you'll tie the backup knot right?
I use a figure 9 for rebelays and anchors where I don't have to back-feed the knot as it is a stronger knot and if for whatever reason the two ends of the rope get pulled in opposite directions a nine will not roll of the end of the rope like an 8 will.
NZcaver wrote:Ralph E. Powers wrote:I myself have never known or heard of a properly tied and DRESSED water-knot coming loose or undone. Same with a figure 8 knot done in the same manner.
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It's just plain common sense.
Amen!
Along with that, I am constantly amused and/or irritated by those who say you must tie a backup knot after a figure-8 in order for it to "be safe". Wrong! But if your rescue team or whatever says it's true, then it must be... at least for those operate without their own brain. In one situation, I heard a so-called rock climbing instructor tell students that an 8 always needed to be backed up, but a Bowline didn't! A gentle suggestion that she may have the two mixed up met with vehement denial.
...I was initally taught that using a wrap three pull two was an excellent anchor around either a bomb-proof rock or tree. The (water) knot used on 1-inch tubular webbing should be at the back of the anchor. If there isn't sufficent webbing to wrap three then wrap two pull one is suitable...
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