Cowtail question

Discuss vertical caving, equipment, & techniques. Also visit the NSS Vertical Section.

Moderator: Tim White

Cowtail question

Postby frbarton » Jul 28, 2015 8:36 pm

Some friends and I have been discussing our systems for ascending and a number of discussion points came up which I would love opinions on. Primarily, we were discussing weather or not a webbing sling can replace a cow tail for attaching your ascenders to your harness. We are of the opinion that the fact that the sling is static as opposed to dynamic is really negated by the short length of the line. Additionally, unless you're backing up your ascender with a Prussix, a shock load is far more likely to cause a release of the ascender than for the sling to fail. What do you guys think? Any glaring reason to use a dynamic cowtail as opposed to slings? Do you back up your ascenders with prussix in case of failure?
frbarton
Occasional Poster
 
Posts: 33
Joined: Nov 24, 2013 2:45 pm
Location: Williamsburg, VA
Name: Frederick Barton
Primary Grotto Affiliation: RASS
  

Re: Cowtail question

Postby GroundquestMSA » Jul 28, 2015 8:52 pm

There are several long discussions on this forum on the topic. I'll look some up for you in a bit. Dynamic cowstails are widely considered mandatory, and retain their utility as shock absorbers even in such short lengths. But as many have observed, cowstails should never be subjected to a shockload. Despite all the noise over this issue, I suspect that the chances of a problem with static cowstails are incredibly slim. However, webbing cowstails are a bad idea for other reasons, primarily the ease with which they can get sucked into your ascenders. This has happened to me and probably many others.

No one backs up ascenders with a prusik knot.
User avatar
GroundquestMSA
NSS Hall Of Fame Poster
 
Posts: 1342
Joined: May 5, 2011 1:32 pm
  

Re: Cowtail question

Postby GroundquestMSA » Jul 28, 2015 9:10 pm

Have a wade through this

Or this

Maybe this

And this

Read this stuff with a clear head, and realize that a lot of the theoretical arguments have little or no practical application. I wouldn't want to make a choice for you, but I don't mind suggesting that, if you have properly learned SRT maneuvers, the dynamic/static decision is one of relatively low importance.
User avatar
GroundquestMSA
NSS Hall Of Fame Poster
 
Posts: 1342
Joined: May 5, 2011 1:32 pm
  

Re: Cowtail question

Postby LukeM » Jul 29, 2015 7:42 am

Of course, ascending isn't the only time you'll be using your cowstails. The most risky situation for a non-dynamic cowstail would be when you're clipped into a hard anchor; maybe while rigging or negotiating a rebelay. If you happen to be not thinking clearly and raise your main attachment point above the anchor and then slip the idea is that you could easily injure yourself with a static cowstail. In practice I'm not really sure how likely injury is but for a few dollars worth of dynamic rope it seems worth it to mitigate the possibility.
User avatar
LukeM
NSS Hall Of Fame Poster
 
Posts: 705
Joined: Jan 30, 2008 2:53 pm
Location: Albany, NY
Name: Luke Mazza
NSS #: 59317
Primary Grotto Affiliation: Syracuse University Outing Club
  


Return to On Rope!

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users