hunter wrote:Hey Hank, Kind of delayed but thanks for the photo posts, that gives me a good idea of what was done.
You are welcome.
hunter wrote:can anyone (Hank?) say for sure if that is an approved way to use the gri-gri?
Not approved.
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hunter wrote:Hey Hank, Kind of delayed but thanks for the photo posts, that gives me a good idea of what was done.
hunter wrote:can anyone (Hank?) say for sure if that is an approved way to use the gri-gri?
hunter wrote:...Although the stop doesn't have quite the area for trapping debris it does seem possible that something similar could occur...
Dwight wrote:...I looked down and saw the Croll latched open. My first thought was "Hey, that does really happen." So I closed it and continued out.
I wasn't aware of it happening, but I expect that I dragged the croll against the wall, and that action latched it open. Good thing to avoid.
I'm sort of thinking the Croll releasing is likely a problem for rope-walkers and not froggers...
NZcaver wrote:In your opinion as a vertical caver, how much do you think the safety catch on your Croll contributed to this happening - versus your technique? I don't mean to imply you did anything wrong, just that sliding up the rock - accidentally of course - with any cammed ascender could cause problems. Do you now feel this safety catch design is entirely at fault, making your Croll a useless liability? Or do you feel this is a 50/50 design/technique issue, or perhaps you have a different analysis?
NZcaver wrote:You comments about this seem very calm. Did you feel the same way when it actually happened? I'm interested to compare your thoughts with previous comments on a similar incident, mentioned earlier in this thread. In that situation, the unexpected disconnecting of one ascender (leaving only one other gripping the rope) was emotionally described as being "life threatening". Did you feel the same way when it happened to you?
fuzzy-hair-man wrote:I'm sort of thinking the Croll releasing is likely a problem for rope-walkers and not froggers :question: Froggers will tend to bring thier knees up more and as a result push away from the wall, by the time the Croll is close to the wall again the upwards movement has just about run out.... :kewl:
Tubo Longo wrote:Dwight, I assume you're a frogger, right? . . . It might be that some other piece of gear might have interacted with the cam while you resumed climbing for the ledge? And if so, what? :question:
Tubo Longo wrote:Also, I don't see the problem of having a foot out of the foot loop:
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