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mooreshire wrote:Rappelling with two people and all their gear (a.k.a. following a pickoff) on the GriGri2 is a slightly frightening experience. I love the little guy, but if there's a better tool for a specific job I say use it. The only thing I've ever used the grigri2 for underground was tensioning a tyrolean.
mooreshire wrote:The new grigri(2) is pretty much just as awkward for rappel as the original. The only real modification/upgrade was to reduce weight and profile slightly and make the groove narrower to accommodate for super thin ropes. I bring mine everywhere but into caves.
I don't really like the Yo-Yo (or "R.A.D.S." as Petzl wants it called) ascending system either - my one arm gets tired from pulling rope through the grigri, even with the 2:1 via a mini-pulley under the upper ascender. I have a buddy who doesn't seem to mind and appreciates not having to changeover, but he mainly uses the system for big wall climbs and recreational tree climbing.
paul wrote:There are plenty of choices of devices to use for caving so why bother with a device which is not suitable?
Anonymous_Coward wrote:paul wrote:There are plenty of choices of devices to use for caving so why bother with a device which is not suitable?
Good question Paul. If you find out the answer, please let me know. It may help to explain why so many people here in Utah shun racks and bobbins and instead want to use ATC's, figure eights, Totems, Piranas, etc for caving!!!
John Lovaas wrote:Nothing like marketing a tool for a purpose for which it was neither designed or intended. But- it has been writ upon the Interwebs, therefore it must be true...
Extremeophile wrote:As far as the car analogy... rappelling on a 6-bar rack is like driving a big diesel truck - heavy, clunky, overdesigned and difficult to change directions. Rappelling on a Simple is like driving an Audi TT - light, efficient, easy to control.
This is from Petzl's website:
"The new progressive descent control system in the GRIGRI 2 is specially designed to offer smooth, even lowering action - there's a larger 'sweet spot' when lowering a climber or rappelling."
I think folks are making a lot of assumptions by declaring that it is not designed for or suitable for rappelling. Petzl's technical documentation can sometimes be very extensive and detailed and other times it may have huge omissions. I agree with the near-consensus that there are better devices out there for underground use.
I have done rock climbs where I brought a Grigri for belay use and an ATC for rappelling, because I often prefer rappelling on 2 strands and don't like the rap control with the Grigri (at least the original).
Cavemud wrote:Extremeophile wrote:As far as the car analogy... rappelling on a 6-bar rack is like driving a big diesel truck - heavy, clunky, overdesigned and difficult to change directions. Rappelling on a Simple is like driving an Audi TT - light, efficient, easy to control.
I like that analogy Derek and I agree!
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