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Extremeophile wrote: It is definitely difficult to control the friction while descending... it goes from fully stopped to virtually no friction with very little movement of the lever. .
LukeM wrote:FYI: Petzl has issued a recall on some GRIGRI 2's.
Extremeophile wrote:LukeM wrote:FYI: Petzl has issued a recall on some GRIGRI 2's.
Looks like mine is included in the recall. Thanks for bringing that to my attention Luke.
Anonymous_Coward wrote:Hmmm, is there really any difference between a rappel device and a belay device? I've always considered them to be the same thing. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think any rappel device could conceivably be used to belay and vice versa. Some are better for one task or the other, but you are basically sliding rope through a device at a controlled rate of speed with either one.
chh wrote:Anonymous_Coward wrote:Hmmm, is there really any difference between a rappel device and a belay device? I've always considered them to be the same thing. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think any rappel device could conceivably be used to belay and vice versa. Some are better for one task or the other, but you are basically sliding rope through a device at a controlled rate of speed with either one.
I'd say there is a difference. Though it is conceivable to use anything that introduces friction into the system for belay (a tree trunk for example) they certainly wouldn't all function with the same ease, speed or versatility. Therein lies the distinction, however semantic it may be.
chh wrote:I'd say there is a difference. Though it is conceivable to use anything that introduces friction into the system for belay (a tree trunk for example) they certainly wouldn't all function with the same ease, speed or versatility. Therein lies the distinction, however semantic it may be. For example, I have a 6 bar rack and an ATC in front of me. My climbing partner is leading up above me and at their limit struggling for clips. I want something that will feed both ways, and FAST so that I can give the best/safest belay possible. Can I belay with the rack? Sure, but as well? Probably not. Actually, if the rack had a welded eye that was large enough, I might just use that instead of the bars, like using the smaller hole on an 8. That might make it as fast. Alternately I've turned an ATC into a knifeblade after just a few rappells on really sandy fixed ropes. Not really the optimal device for the application. Possible, absolutely. Best practice? Meh.
And allthough it is just semantic, you can belay with a tree, but you can't rappel with one
Anonymous_Coward wrote:Some are better for one task or the other,
mooreshire wrote:Rappelling with two people and all their gear (a.k.a. following a pickoff) on the GriGri2 is a slightly frightening experience.
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