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Postby cmf556 » Nov 6, 2008 9:43 pm

Does anyone out there have up to date photos of lechuguilla cave..... A cat was found a few miles into the cave and I havew always curiousabout the details of this discovery
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Re: lechuguilla question

Postby Evan G » Nov 6, 2008 11:15 pm

More like 500 feet into the cave maybe a little more. It was a ringtailed cat.
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Re: lechuguilla question

Postby Anonymous_Coward » Nov 9, 2008 9:59 am

The ringtail skeleton is actually about a mile into the cave from the present entrance, in the Land of Awes. The remarkable thing about it is it is about 1000 feet below the surface. It is highly doubtful that he came in the entrance that we now use. Many bat skeletons have been discovered in the areas above the ringtail, further reinforcing the view that there was a former entrance in this area.
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Re: lechuguilla question

Postby Evan G » Nov 9, 2008 10:12 am

jaa45993 wrote:The ringtail skeleton is actually about a mile into the cave from the present entrance, in the Land of Awes. The remarkable thing about it is it is about 1000 feet below the surface. It is highly doubtful that he came in the entrance that we now use. Many bat skeletons have been discovered in the areas above the ringtail, further reinforcing the view that there was a former entrance in this area.


There is another skeleton under the first climb down just below the culvert it is to the right of the trail. I did not know of the one in the Land of Awes or forgot about it.
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Re: lechuguilla question

Postby Herman Miller » Nov 10, 2008 11:45 pm

I'm quite removed as I dont know the lay out of the cave at all but it would be interesting if these skeleton groupings were found to be beneath the manhole project, granted I doubt anyone would be willing to dig 1k feet lol
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Re: lechuguilla question

Postby Evan G » Nov 10, 2008 11:47 pm

bremen66 wrote:I'm quite removed as I dont know the lay out of the cave at all but it would be interesting if these skeleton groupings were found to be beneath the manhole project, granted I doubt anyone would be willing to dig 1k feet lol


LOL, no kidding. I have always wonder what happen to manhole
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Re: lechuguilla question

Postby Anonymous_Coward » Nov 11, 2008 10:59 am

Although there are skeletons in different parts of the cave, the ones in question are in the Southwest Branch. If Big Manhole were to connect with Lech, it would most likely be in the Far East Branch. Manhole is removed to the Northeast by about a half mile. It is not currently above any known part of Lechuguilla.
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Re: lechuguilla question

Postby Anonymous_Coward » Nov 11, 2008 11:04 am

Also, if anybody would be willing to dig 1000 feet, it would be those guys at Big Manhole. They've been at it for 20 years now!
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Re: lechuguilla question

Postby Herman Miller » Nov 11, 2008 5:22 pm

:off topic:
I know there arent any scheduled digs out at manhole but if anyone ever feels like scheduling one count me in
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Re: lechuguilla question

Postby RichBCAG » Nov 12, 2008 11:59 am

There was a manhole dig just last weekend (Nov 15-16). I think the next one will be in the spring.

Steve Peerman is the current dig-meister. He's in the members manual. Drop him a line and he can include you on future trip announcements.
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Re: lechuguilla question

Postby Herman Miller » Nov 12, 2008 7:21 pm

:( guess i'm not on enough mailing lists
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Re: lechuguilla question

Postby cavemanjonny » Nov 13, 2008 11:15 am

jaa45993 wrote:The remarkable thing about it is it is about 1000 feet below the surface. It is highly doubtful that he came in the entrance that we now use.


Is it possible a Hodag or possibly a member of the furbikini clan dragged the cat back there? I've heard that New Mexican Hodags often dine on Ring-Tail Cats.
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Re: lechuguilla question

Postby Evan G » Nov 13, 2008 11:25 am

Jonny Prouty wrote:
jaa45993 wrote:The remarkable thing about it is it is about 1000 feet below the surface. It is highly doubtful that he came in the entrance that we now use.


Is it possible a Hodag or possibly a member of the furbikini clan dragged the cat back there? I've heard that New Mexican Hodags often dine on Ring-Tail Cats.



:gotdark: :lmao: Nice one Jonny
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Re: lechuguilla question

Postby hunter » Nov 13, 2008 1:05 pm

Hmm, I wonder if someone has made a list of animal skeleton's in remote cave regions. There is a ring tail skeleton way down in a Utah cave where the regular path would involve some long falls for the little guy. We found a skeleton at a similar depth with a similar number of long falls required in a Mexico cave a few years ago (maybe not ring tail but about the same size and in bad shape). Either there were/are a lot of animal sized alternate entries and paths or these guys are just good at getting way into caves.

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Re: lechuguilla question

Postby cavemanjonny » Nov 13, 2008 1:21 pm

There's a cave in TN that has a large cat skeleton (not sure what kind, but I mean large as in panther, sabre-tooth large) partially covered in flowstone. You can see claw marks on the wall, apparently. It most likely came in through a now collapsed entrance.
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