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buddyh wrote::down:
Hopefully they were in a commercial cave, If not I see so many things wrong with the caving in the video. Hopefully these scouts were not injured as the evidence is posted for anyone to view including a jury. I hope the guide explained the that they were not caving properly and what proper caving entails. Hopefully the NSS Youth Group outreach program will change this.
buddyh wrote::down:
Hopefully they were in a commercial cave, If not I see so many things wrong with the caving in the video. Hopefully these scouts were not injured as the evidence is posted for anyone to view including a jury. I hope the guide explained the that they were not caving properly and what proper caving entails. Hopefully the NSS Youth Group outreach program will change this.
buddyh wrote::down:
Hopefully they were in a commercial cave, If not I see so many things wrong with the caving in the video. Hopefully these scouts were not injured as the evidence is posted for anyone to view including a jury. I hope the guide explained the that they were not caving properly and what proper caving entails. Hopefully the NSS Youth Group outreach program will change this.
NZcaver wrote:After all the talk, I had to see the video for myself. I didn't notice anything particularly bad at all.
I saw kids having fun. Maybe some will even grow up to become cavers.
buddyh wrote:As I wrote, I hoped it was a commercial cave and it looks like it was from the later post. What I did not see is are the items items each caver should have according to the posted equipment list. I feel that when ever a person is introduced to caving they should go as prepared and encumbered as a real/experienced caver would. I always require each participant to be fully outfitted. In addition to the posted gear list each participant has their own First Aid Kit. The is point made that if each person brings a small First Aid Kit the group has a large First Aid Kit. In addition the gear goes everywhere with the participant. They do not leave it behind and they are responsible for making sure that they are never separated.
I want each participant to have a real caver experience. I never want them to join a grotto and have to be retrained. I much prefer to have them join as competent newbies. I've seen too many second, third, fourth time newbie cavers without the basic as a result of not having a complete intro to caving.
But since they were in a commercial cave, I understand the lackadaisical intro.
I have recorded a 45 minute video to prepare newbies for caving. Since I mostly deal with Scout groups, the title is" Be Prepared to go Caving."
Remember these are my opinions as a trip leader/instructor.
Cave Softly,
BuddyH
ArCaver wrote:That sounds like a good policy, although I take a lot of people on their first caving trip and usually make sure they are less encumbered than I am so they can concentrate on enjoying the cave.
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