All caving, other than simple novice activities, should be limited to adults and young people 14 and older—members of Venturing crews, Learning for Life Explorer posts and older Scouts in troops, and teams. "Simple novice activities“ means commercially operated cave excursions.
NZcaver wrote:Thanks for sharing the link. Some good generic information there. I hope the author doesn't take offense, but I have a few constructive comments/suggestions.
Right away I noticed a glaring typo right there in the second page bullet points, "take nothing but carefully places footprints." She probably means placed, and I suspect the list is supposed to be 3 bullet points not 4.
Although I have no direct personal connection with the BSA, I've assisted/facilitated with Scout trips and given talks to Scouts in several states over the years. I know of the no-serious-caving-under-14 rule, but the wording used here intrigued me.All caving, other than simple novice activities, should be limited to adults and young people 14 and older—members of Venturing crews, Learning for Life Explorer posts and older Scouts in troops, and teams. "Simple novice activities“ means commercially operated cave excursions.
Perhaps this is a rule specific to Utah, but I'm aware of numerous cases elsewhere where BSA leaders have deemed "simple novice activities" (with people under 14) to include non-commercial, novice-appropriate wild caves with adequate supervision. Also non-cavers may not be aware that some "commercially operated cave excursions" include strenuous wild cave tours which may not be appropriate for younger novices. But hopefully common sense will prevail there.
On the "what to take into a cave" page it states "To learn what is appropriate, ask your trip leader what is needed for your particular trip." But isn't the guide written for trip leaders? Or is there some distinction between a cave-specific trip leader and the type of leader the guide is written for?
Overall, I think this is a good effort. I like that it includes information like cleaning your gear (and why) which is often omitted in basic intro to caving guides. (Incidentally, I spotted a small typo on that page too - "west ward" should be westward.) Maybe I'm just nitpicking but I know when I make the effort to create a document like this, a little peer-review feedback can be a good thing.
Guess they're not allowed to lock the naughty kids in the dark, scary cave any more either.
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