Newbie Needing suggestions

Discuss caving lights, packs, helmets, clothing, etc.
For rope and vertical equipment, go to the On Rope! forum.
Cave electronics enthusiasts can also visit the Communications and Electronics Section forum.

Moderator: Moderators

Postby Tim White » Nov 30, 2007 9:54 am

GhostCat wrote:ok, what about this one???...........

http://www.onrope1.com/store/index.php?p=product&id=415&parent=8

or this one:
http://www.onrope1.com/store/index.php?p=product&id=35&parent=50

sorry I keep buggin yall but I'm wanting to make my purchase tomorrow (Friday)

Thanks,
GC


Both of these are still use a high attachment point. The OR1 Goliath may still your best bet.

Call Bruce at On Rope 1 and talk to him in person about your needs. Bruce has a short round body type, so he know what does and what does not work.

Tell him I told you to call him.
Be safe,
Tim White 26949 RL FE

Southeastern Region Coordinator - NCRC
Editor, Nylon Highway
Senior Technical Manager - Over the Edge, Inc.
User avatar
Tim White
Global Moderator
 
Posts: 848
Joined: Sep 8, 2005 11:57 am
Location: Suwanee, GA
  

Postby GhostCat » Nov 30, 2007 5:25 pm

Thank you ALL for your suggestions.....They were all very helpful.
This is a Great website with lots of great information and helpful people....

TIM....I called and spoke with Bruce....I told him that you told me to call.
Bruce told me to stay away from the frog systems because they are not good for the top heavy people like myself.....I went ahead and ordered the OR1 Endurance on his reccomendation.

Thanks again for everyone's help!!!!!!

GC
User avatar
GhostCat
Occasional Poster
 
Posts: 25
Joined: Jun 12, 2006 7:28 pm
  

Postby GhostCat » Dec 5, 2007 7:13 pm

CRAP......Now that I have my new harness and Rack I see where the orientation of the rack is perpendicular to my body......I was told (by many of you) that it is better to have the rack oriented parrallel to your body with the bars going right to left.....but thats not the case with my new setup.....

How will this effect me????......

BTW, the harness fits great and feels great......great job by Onrope 1
User avatar
GhostCat
Occasional Poster
 
Posts: 25
Joined: Jun 12, 2006 7:28 pm
  

Postby NZcaver » Dec 5, 2007 7:52 pm

Does your rack have a straight eye or a 90 degree eye?

Do you connect it to your seat harness maillon (D link) directly, or with a small oval maillon or carabiner?

Racks can be used safely and effectively in either of the orientations you mentioned, but with some associated pros and cons. So don't panic.
User avatar
NZcaver
Global Moderator
 
Posts: 6364
Joined: Sep 7, 2005 2:05 am
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
Name: Jansen
NSS #: 50665RL
  

Postby GhostCat » Dec 5, 2007 9:16 pm

Its a Straight eye.....I'm going to connect with a Carabiner attached to harness.....so that turns my rack perpendicular to my body......gggrrrrrr
User avatar
GhostCat
Occasional Poster
 
Posts: 25
Joined: Jun 12, 2006 7:28 pm
  

Postby NZcaver » Dec 6, 2007 1:22 am

You use a harness that connects together with a maillon (screw link)? Rigged the way you describe with a straight eye rack, I think that puts the rack bars parallel with your stomach - right?

This should work fine. How long are these rappels you're planning to do, anyway?
User avatar
NZcaver
Global Moderator
 
Posts: 6364
Joined: Sep 7, 2005 2:05 am
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
Name: Jansen
NSS #: 50665RL
  

Postby David Grimes » Dec 6, 2007 2:22 am

NZcaver wrote:You use a harness that connects together with a maillon (screw link)? Rigged the way you describe with a straight eye rack, I think that puts the rack bars parallel with your stomach - right?


I think he might be connecting the maillon to the belay loop. I believe that would twist the rack vertical.
User avatar
David Grimes
Admin
 
Posts: 1297
Joined: Jun 19, 2007 6:14 pm
Location: Port Richey, Fl / Harrison County, In
NSS #: 59533
Primary Grotto Affiliation: Indiana Underground Society
  

Postby NZcaver » Dec 6, 2007 10:58 am

dark_storm83 wrote:I think he might be connecting the maillon to the belay loop. I believe that would twist the rack vertical.

Oh, right. :doh: I just noticed GhostCat said his new harness is an OR1 Endurance - a climbing harness.

Well... plenty of cavers happily use their rack in a perpendicular configuration. GhostCat, take a read through Rack eyes and attachment, Rack recommendations, Rappel racks, and Question on long rack orientation.

As an option, you could always get a D or delta maillon and rig it next to the belay loop (attached through both the leg and waist components of the harness), and then attach your rack to that. That should do the job.
User avatar
NZcaver
Global Moderator
 
Posts: 6364
Joined: Sep 7, 2005 2:05 am
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
Name: Jansen
NSS #: 50665RL
  

Postby Scott McCrea » Dec 6, 2007 11:26 am

Perpendicular is the best orientation for a rack. You can make parallel work, and lots of people do, but the only way to get the full benefit of a rack is in the perpendicular orientation. Here's what OR1 says about it: LINK

Do not connect your rack's biner directly to the waist and leg loops--use the belay loop. As OR1 suggests: LINK

The set up you got from OR1 should work fine. Actually, it's exactly right.
Scott McCrea
SWAYGO
User avatar
Scott McCrea
Global Moderator
 
Posts: 3198
Joined: Sep 5, 2005 3:07 pm
Location: Asheville, NC USA
NSS #: 40839RL
Primary Grotto Affiliation: Flittermouse Grotto
  

Postby NZcaver » Dec 6, 2007 1:03 pm

Scott McCrea wrote:Perpendicular is the best orientation for a rack. You can make parallel work, and lots of people do, but the only way to get the full benefit of a rack is in the perpendicular orientation. Here's what OR1 says about it: LINK

Interesting point. However what's "best" for rack orientation is still a debatable topic, regardless of what one rack designer's original intentions were. Micro racks and other standard U-racks, for example, seem to be much more commonly used in the other configuration. Mr Cole was obviously referring to his own legendary rack design in that statement, and the same logic doesn't really apply to U-racks so I guess it's a moot point. (This has been debated at length in other threads on this forum, and is probably getting a little off-topic for this thread. My bad.)

Do not connect your rack's biner directly to the waist and leg loops--use the belay loop. As OR1 suggests: LINK

:exactly: If you do feel the need to ever "bypass" a belay loop, at least do it with a D/delta maillon - something that will accept multi-directional loading. But on the whole, using the belay loop for its intended purpose should be fine.

The set up you got from OR1 should work fine. Actually, it's exactly right.

Agreed - it should work fine.
User avatar
NZcaver
Global Moderator
 
Posts: 6364
Joined: Sep 7, 2005 2:05 am
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
Name: Jansen
NSS #: 50665RL
  

Postby GhostCat » Dec 6, 2007 7:54 pm

Thank folks....that puts my mind at ease....I'll go read the links you posted......
I'm purchasing my helmet next week and then I'm getting on a rope.....Maybe I'll post some PICS of my first time on rope.....or maybe you'll read about me in the newspaper under the obituaries....lol

I guess you can say I'm a bit nervous about my first time on-rope......that, plus I'm a little over 280 lbs and it just doesn't seem natural that someone as big as I am should even be on rope......

If yall want to ease my mind with some reassuring comments please don't let me stop you........

I have a TOP NOTCH trainer who will be training me on rappelling so I have lots of confidence in his knowledge......He is also the safety coordinator for my local grotto so I feel pretty confident......again, its my weight that has me concerned......

Anyway, thanks again for all your input.....

GC
User avatar
GhostCat
Occasional Poster
 
Posts: 25
Joined: Jun 12, 2006 7:28 pm
  

Postby fuzzy-hair-man » Dec 6, 2007 8:11 pm

GhostCat wrote:.....again, its my weight that has me concerned......


Don't worry about it, if some extra weight was an issue there'd be a lot more dead cavers / rappellers / climbers. Safety margins are such that a little extra weight is not a concern and is easily handled by the gear.

Many techniques such as pick-offs or tandem climbing put two people on the rope at once with no consequences.
User avatar
fuzzy-hair-man
NSS Hall Of Fame Poster
 
Posts: 955
Joined: Apr 6, 2006 2:09 am
Location: Canberra, Australia
Primary Grotto Affiliation: NUCC
  

What helmet should i buy

Postby J-Clark » Dec 6, 2007 9:41 pm

Is it worht the Eztra $10 to buy the Petzel Meteour lll Helmet rather than the Petzel ROC (For caving not climbing)
J-Clark
New Poster
 
Posts: 1
Joined: Dec 6, 2007 9:13 pm
  

Re: What helmet should i buy

Postby adleedy » Dec 7, 2007 12:30 am

J-Clark wrote:Is it worht the Eztra $10 to buy the Petzel Meteour lll Helmet rather than the Petzel ROC (For caving not climbing)


the meteour is for climbing only...its not designed for caving
Alan D. Leedy

E.R.V.K.E.T Life Member

SAVE CAVE RIVERS http://WWW.8RIVERSSAFEDEVELOPMENT.COM
User avatar
adleedy
NSS Hall Of Fame Poster
 
Posts: 522
Joined: Dec 12, 2006 6:04 pm
Location: charleston, west virginia
Name: alan dwayne leedy
NSS #: 56663
Primary Grotto Affiliation: charleston grotto + ERVKET
  

Postby Lava » Dec 7, 2007 3:39 am

GhostCat wrote:Its a Straight eye.....I'm going to connect with a Carabiner attached to harness.....so that turns my rack perpendicular to my body......gggrrrrrr


Give it a try first. Perpendicular is the orientation I prefer. Lots of people do it.
User avatar
Lava
NSS Hall Of Fame Poster
 
Posts: 329
Joined: Sep 5, 2005 11:29 pm
Location: Molten core of Earth
Name: Bruce White
NSS #: 39223
Primary Grotto Affiliation: San Francisco Bay Chapter
  

Previous

Return to Equipment Forum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users

cron