wyandottecaver wrote:Second is the larger issue of "dont have complex discussions because idiots wont understand them" really? Using that logic we could simply put up a single locked post that says "caving is fun, we won't tell you where they are, seek experianced help" and that would be the forum.
This is such a gross misunderstanding of my post, I had to read your response three times. Have you been caving without a helmet?
No one said we shouldn't talk about this stuff; I said that when someone gives terrible advice, we should call them on it being terrible advice. "Caving without a helmet is okay" is, in my honest opinion, terrible advice. As such, I felt compelled to say it was terrible advice, and did. That way, people who read this thread know that, while some cavers are OK with it, others think it's terrible advice. The point is that, in threads like these, our implicit agreement by not saying so is conceivably dangerous.
I also did not say that either of my two examples -- "young cavers who have been in a cave or three" & "rock climbers who want to explore caves" to quote myself, verbatim -- were idiots. Of course, it's easier to attack someone else's position if you ignore the arguments they make and, instead, paraphrase them badly and attack the paraphrases instead. Well-played.