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Ok guys to start of im sorry if i did anything wrong posting this but I have looked and looked for help on this decision and I am stumped.

I have been looking for a cave pack and have narrowed it down to 3 packs so I was just wanting some opinions on witch one I should get. I do plenty of caving in wet muddy caves if that helps.

First pack is the OR1 Heavy Duty Cave Pack $55
http://www.onrope1.com/store/index.php? ... &parent=12

Second pack is the Lost Creek Tag Cave Pack $60
http://www.karstsports.com/loscreektagc.html

Third pack is the Lost Creek Monster TAG Cave Pack $62.50
http://www.karstsports.com/loscreekmont.html

This is my first pack and I am tired of borrowing packs when caving with the group so please help me make a good decision.

I have both your first options. Love em. The monster is way too big. The or1 pacK is superior IMO but al swaygo is the best for truly wet caves.

I have an OnRope1 Heavy Duty and enjoy it. The only problem spot I've found in 2.5 years is that the reflective stripe rubs off easily. Anything structural has been great thus far.

I don't have the two Lost Creek packs, but I do have an old Flint Ridge pack from them that's ~7 years old. For longer day trips, the Flint Ridge is a bit on the small side. Also, I've found the nickel-plated hardware began rusting superficially after about two years of light to moderate use and after five years became difficult to operate. This hardware also lacks the swivels of OnRope1's bag, which means more time is spent adjusting. Lastly, Lost Creek, at least back when I purchased, did not heat seal the cut edges of their bags and suits, so they wore out more quickly from the inside. [My OnRope1 bag is too new to show this as an issue, and it isn't with me right now to check if they were heat sealed.]

The general design and materials used in both products is perfectly good. The OnRope1 bag has a side pouch for your descender; a nicety, but I haven't been able to find practical use for it yet (very few vertical caves up here).

How about a custom made pack? Made to your specs, it don't get any better than that!
Send me a private message if interested.

Swaygo is a great pack. Comes in 3 sizes. Easy to carry, form fits to the back, easy to take off quickly and drag behind you, and water proof. Like it so much buying another one for my son.

BrianFrank wrote:Swaygo is a great pack. Comes in 3 sizes. Easy to carry, form fits to the back, easy to take off quickly and drag behind you, and water proof. Like it so much buying another one for my son.

I am looking at buying either the Swaygo Push or Sink (leaning towards the Sink because you never know when a need for the extra space could arise - even if say you simply wanted to start carrying an extra piece of gear.., etc.) but I was wondering if the bag can be used comfortably with the opening flap facing upwards vs at the bottom. The only reason I ask is because this would double as my bag for hiking, rock climbing, and essentially most outdoor activities. When caving I'd definitely use it with the flap facing down but not sure how safe I'd feel high up on a rock cliff climb wearing it in the same manner.

Would appreciate any Swaygo-owner's thoughts.

Swaygo owner here. The only times I have heard of problems with the opening failing is when the user forgot to close it before putting it on. It's quite embarrassing—I've done it. As far as I know, no Swaygo pack opening has just randomly opened. I have even carried them, with the opening at the bottom, full of water. No bladder or liner. Just full of water. The only thing holding the water in is a couple folds of the closure. We carried water this way thru a cave to a clean-up site. No leaks. Besides, the packs are not very comfortable if you wear them upside-down (opening up).

From a Swaygo owner with no connection to the company other than bumping into Scott occasionally... I doubt you will be disappointed with a Swaygo. And yes, get the Sink for that extra capacity if you need it. I changed the strap attachments on mine to a rated carabiner and pair of stainless screw links. The upside-down pack design is surprisingly ergonomic and comfortable to wear. Be aware if you do use it above ground you will find the black material heats up a lot in direct sunlight.

Thanks for the feedback. Went ahead and ordered a Sink! I'll likely do the same and switch out the 'biners for some twist lock carabiners/screw links. Good point about the black material heating up in the sunlight, I might use it only for caving and outdoor trips on rainy days after giving it a little bit of thought. What would make these even better IMO is customizing them with a splash of color -- how cool would one of these in camo-orange look!

Great decision! I love mine and will never go back to fabric packs. They're soooo 20th century.

You'll be amazed at how comfortable, easy, and efficient the Swaygo is to cave with. I bet you'll find you'll be able to keep your pack on, even if shrugged to one side, when others take theirs off to get through passages. Try hooking the top biner to the bottom of the zipper/Velcro notch in your pants or cave suit to drag the pack behind you through a crawl.

Not having to pack items in waterproof containers before putting them into the pack is a huge plus. It makes packing so much easier and compact.

I replaced the lower biners with small, triangular Maillon Rapide quick links, and the top biner with a locking one.

I've never had the pack opening up on its own, but if the buckle is very muddy, you'll need to be sure that it clicks closed. Some people have replaced the buckle with a non-locking 'biner, but I haven't found the need to.

Report back after a couple of caving trips!

Cheryl Jones wrote:Great decision! I love mine and will never go back to fabric packs. They're soooo 20th century.

Footnote to my previous comment - I've kept my old Lost Creek cordura pack for occasional lava tube caving, because the material seems more resistant to damage than the Swaygo when dragged over sharp Hawaiian lava.

I replaced the lower biners with small, triangular Maillon Rapide quick links, and the top biner with a locking one.

I did exactly the same thing.

I've never had the pack opening up on its own, but if the buckle is very muddy, you'll need to be sure that it clicks closed. Some people have replaced the buckle with a non-locking 'biner, but I haven't found the need to.

Ditto.

Due to unusual circumstances I have used over 50 to 70 different packs for caving . Swaygo all the way for my personal use though.

If you are looking for large PVC packs for camp trips, Landjoff make a great pack.
It is very durable and is at a decent price point. I use their 28L and 42L (tall) packs for my project work.
http://wvunderground.net/packs

Hey Carl do the Landjoff packs have drain holes?

Also, did you get your GGG pack back from Mark? I swear I gave it to him!

Anonymous_Coward wrote:Hey Carl do the Landjoff packs have drain holes?

Also, did you get your GGG pack back from Mark? I swear I gave it to him!

Yes, the Landjoff packs have drain holes where the straps come out of the pack at the bottom.
and yes I got the pack back and you even cleaned it, thanks.
It was fun caving with you and Bonny.