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ron_miller wrote:I gave the slide show that generated this thread, I have been caving on multi-day survey and exploration expeditions in Lech since 1991. Apparently Ralph misunderstood what I said about this issue, and I need to set the record straight. There may be a solution out there, and we're all open to new ideas and fresh perspectives.
Given the past posts in this thread it seems unlikely that the park service would allow a bicycle type device to be hauled into the cave... also consider the entrance portal(s). Even if taken apart it's far too unwieldy to transport over the terrian. Nice thought though.Tom Gilleland wrote:I was thinking that maybe a centrifuge might condense the worst part of the urine, enabling you to pour off at least part of the liquid. You could build a caver-powered centrifuge from a bicycle.
Tom
bill fish wrote:I agree that some folks would certainly go into lech just to hual out urine....and some folks would certainly be happy to do just that....they might not be capable of long camping trips, or surveying, or other high falutin science....or if not capable just not into it...
If you really want to get into Lech....you might want to seriously propose this to the park folks....if it was sold right and done right you could probably rightfully say overall such a project is doing more good than harm to the cave....
Just to clarify here - you realize there's no piles of pee bags/bottles stashed in Lech waiting to be carried out, right?
That whole original subject was brought up in error. Solid and liquid waste bags/bottles are stored in a designated area near camp during multi-day trips. Before heading out, all solids and some liquids are packed for travel with each person of origin. The remaining pee is dumped in a specified place, where it soaks into the ground.
Read back about a page or two for further details.
bill fish wrote:And you realize I've BEEN in lech? More than once?
And you realize that word SOME in front of the word liquids means something?
And you realize most folks arent happy that any pee is being dumped? Much less probably most of it?
Unless now the park is requiring ALL pee to be hauled out?
My post is perfectly valid for dealing with a probably continueing problem...
Anyhow, snooty condescending mode off now...
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