Cody JW wrote:Do not bring the patch into this. My wife tried the patch and it did not work. She could not keep it lit.
Kidding aside, the patch worked great for me. I smoked from age 13 to 22 and then quit cold turkey. ~Ten years later I started again when out drinking with friends and smoked for ~six months. Quit four months ago with the help of the patch and it worked great. Still smoke-free and never want one unless I'm drinking with friends.
Cody JW wrote:Also smells familiar- they may teach "history" in schools but they do not teach things like how and why this nation was founded.
Yes they do. My son learned the basics in elementary school and this year, at the beginning of 6th grade, they learned about the issues in depth (in depth for 6th grade). They will continue to have more opportunity to learn about it more thoroughly as the years go by, as communicated to me by my son's Humanities teacher.
Cody JW wrote:It seems to me you are wanting to throw gas on the "no politics on cave chat " fire.
Didn't know there was really an opposition to the flagrant political drivel around these parts. I only regularly read a few different sub forums so I probably missed any complaining. But really, everyone should be required to abide by the rule, or we should abolish the rule. From what I've read, it seems to nearly completely be a one sided rant.
Cody JW wrote:I guess it is ok to stomp on cave life and disturb bats but god forbid a cigarette. What about carbide lights?? Some people still use them. Choices, it is all about choices. If your whittle lungs cannot handle smoke in a cave I guess there is always bird watching, unless someone gets within 2 miles of you with a cigarette. Then I am sure you will cry like a rat eating onions . I do not care if people smoke in caves or not. You are the one forcing your ideas on others , not me.
Now you're being immature. Look at what you wrote. I had a simple point: We cave. We should cave with good etiquette, which includes minimizing easily avoidable negative impact on caves. Why are you arguing against that widely accepted notion? Also, how can anyone "force ideas on others"? We're just having a discussion...