Smokers in a cave

[mgmills]

Martha said, "I am one of those weird non-smokers who associates mostly with people who do smoke (haven't figured out how that happens) ...

I know how that happens, Martha: You cave in TAG. Lotsa cig smokers in TAG. Lots. Lots. Come caving down here in Florida and you'll find just the opposite.

Are you suggesting that smoking may be a "southern culture" thing. When I moved to the mountain here in Tennessee from the southern city of Birmingham AL I was told jokingly that I'd gone from being an Alabama Redneck to being a Tennessee Hillbilly.

Funny that no one has mentioned funny smoke in caves.

You mean that's not what we've been talking about

[NZcaver]

Funny that no one has mentioned funny smoke in caves.

Oh yeah - that too!

I was surveying at Lava Beds National Monument (CA) last year when I caught a whiff of "that smell" coming from somewhere back towards the entrance. The NPS ranger who was helping us grabs his radio (which works fine in the shallow lava tubes) and gets a couple of Law Enforcement Rangers on scene within minutes. Not sure of the end result (we continued surveying), but the old NPS is sure quick when it comes to protecting their caves!

[mabercrombie]

"Are you suggesting that smoking may be a "southern culture" thing. "

Sombody has to support the tobacco industry, and it is an almost exclusive southern industry, were just taking care of our own.

[JoeyS]

May I suggest "the patch"? It works great for me, as a cigar addict.. I don't smoke all that much on the surface, but with the patch I'd be fine for a 24 hour trip if need be. With the patch, you don't have to find a special place in your pack for used nic gum.
Sorry, but they don't currently make patches for the "funny smoke". Perhaps you could sub your cliff bar for a "special" brownie

[NZcaver]

...Sombody has to support the tobacco industry...

Why?

[Nico]

Funny that no one has mentioned funny smoke in caves. Tongue in cheek

Some newbies I was leading decided to light a fatty before dropping a 150' pit, all I did was say and started to de-rig the pit to avoid any "issues"
of course they werent happy about practicing on a tree for hours and not get to see the cave but I wasnt willing to take any risks.

[Teresa]

As long as tobacco is legal, restricting its use is going to be contentious. I don't understand why tobacco seems to be more addictive than alcohol...there are plenty of social drinkers out there who restrict themselves to one glass at a time, or on special occasions, but except for the American custom of passing out cigars when a baby is born, I don't know of any such custom regarding smoking. Maybe we could start one...like the ceremonial use of tobacco by the Native Americans.

I was raised by two smokers, and don't myself. I just cannot see what all the fuss is about. The only place I've ever been overcome by secondhand smoke is at pizza, in casinos and bars. I wish there were smokefree editions of all the above, but there aren't so why can't people be a little more considerate of their fellow humans. After all, nonsmokers have some pretty disgusting habits too--like being holier than thou about people who do. They're worse, in my opinion, than temperance types.

Everything in moderation, nothing to excess.

[wendy]

As long as tobacco is legal, restricting its use is going to be contentious. I don't understand why tobacco seems to be more addictive than alcohol...there are plenty of social drinkers out there who restrict themselves to one glass at a time, or on special occasions, but except for the American custom of passing out cigars when a baby is born, I don't know of any such custom regarding smoking. Maybe we could start one...like the ceremonial use of tobacco by the Native Americans.

I was raised by two smokers, and don't myself. I just cannot see what all the fuss is about. The only place I've ever been overcome by secondhand smoke is at pizza, in casinos and bars. I wish there were smokefree editions of all the above, but there aren't so why can't people be a little more considerate of their fellow humans. After all, nonsmokers have some pretty disgusting habits too--like being holier than thou about people who do. They're worse, in my opinion, than temperance types.

Everything in moderation, nothing to excess.

here in Florida all resturants are smoke free, unless you are sitting outside. if a bar has a certain percentage of revenue from food then the bar is smoke free as well.

one thing I hate is when I am kayking or canoeing, and someone in the group lights up a cigarette. What's the point in beng outdoors, enjoying the fresh air, and someone is messing it up with a smelly cigarette. ewww and once I was snorkeling and I got this icky taste, and its because someone in an innertube was smoking a cigar and i was gettnig thru the snorkel.

ok, i used to smoke, for a very long time, and 3 or 4 years ago I quit. when I am out at a bar its ok that the people smoke, if it bothers me i just move down a bar stool or two, but when i get home i know i smell like smoke, it clings to my clothes and hair, so i shower as soon as i get in and wash my clothes, you don't notice this smell when you do smoke.

[NZcaver]

As long as tobacco is legal, restricting its use is going to be contentious. I don't understand why tobacco seems to be more addictive than alcohol...

I just cannot see what all the fuss is about. The only place I've ever been overcome by secondhand smoke is at pizza, in casinos and bars. I wish there were smokefree editions of all the above, but there aren't so why can't people be a little more considerate of their fellow humans. After all, nonsmokers have some pretty disgusting habits too--like being holier than thou about people who do. They're worse, in my opinion, than temperance types.

Everything in moderation, nothing to excess.

Yes - restricting tobacco use will probably always be contentious.

Tobacco and alcohol are both addictive, and obviously they can both cause health problems when used in excess. Frequent alcohol use can certainly affect you and those around you - but in a different way to smoking. That's where being "considerate of your fellow human beings" comes in (and I know, many smokers ARE considerate - thanks!) But those who aren't happily blow their smoke into your lungs, hair, clothes, etc.

For a drinker, the rough equivalent would be to urinate "secondhand alcohol" all over peoples hair, clothes etc - and that would probably be considered assault!


And PS - given recent trends, and enough time, there WILL be smoke-free editions of all of those places you mentioned... it's inevitable.

[NZcaver]

...one thing I hate is when I am kayking or canoeing, and someone in the group lights up a cigarette. What's the point in beng outdoors, enjoying the fresh air, and someone is messing it up with a smelly cigarette. ewww ...

I felt the same way when strolling along the south rim of the Grand Canyon at sunset, weaving my way around the clouds of smokers. Not to mention the butts strewn all over the ground - which means some of "your fees at work" go to picking up after lazy litterers. "Regular" litter there is almost non-existent, which begs the question - do smokers realize that flicking a butt on the ground is actually littering?

I was just commenting yesterday how nice the visitor centers are in Mt Saint Helens National Volcanic Monument. They are all smoke free - OUTSIDE as well...

[cob]

...one thing I hate is when I am kayking or canoeing, and someone in the group lights up a cigarette. What's the point in beng outdoors, enjoying the fresh air, and someone is messing it up with a smelly cigarette. ewww ...

Ok, as a life long smoker I have to finally weigh in here (Lord I wish I could quit, but I haven't managed it yet)

You know what I hate?

People who put egg shells on the fire...
People who brush their hair at the dinner table...
Women who think their perfume is something I HAVE to smell...
Men who think their colonge is,.. Ditto...
People with wet smelly dogs...
People who fart...
People who barf all over the toilet...
People who say, "Here! Drink this!"
People who pick their nose...
People who chew with their mouth open...
Really disgustingly FAT people...
Really ugly people...

Etc,etc, etc....

And most of all...

I hate people who somehow, someway, think they are not offensive in any way shape or form.

tom

ps: for the record, my dryer lint trap is always full of cig butts.

[NZcaver]

Ok, as a life long smoker I have to finally weigh in here (Lord I wish I could quit, but I haven't managed it yet)

You know what I hate?

People who put egg shells on the fire...
People who brush their hair at the dinner table...
Women who think their perfume is something I HAVE to smell...
Men who think their colonge is,.. Ditto...
People with wet smelly dogs...
People who fart...
People who barf all over the toilet...
People who say, "Here! Drink this!"
People who pick their nose...
People who chew with their mouth open...
Really disgustingly FAT people...
Really ugly people...

Etc,etc, etc....

And most of all...

I hate people who somehow, someway, think they are not offensive in any way shape or form.

tom

ps: for the record, my dryer lint trap is always full of cig butts.

Ditto on most of your "hate list". Plus...

People who drive around assuming everyone else on the road wants to hear their annoying music too.
People who live in apartments, and assume their neighbors need to hear their music/stomping on the floor/domestic arguments/etc.
People who illegally park in handicap spaces.
People who drive like they're the only person on the road - going slow in the fast lane, cutting off other drivers, not using turn signals when changing lanes...
People who steal, cheat or bully - especially those targeting people who are unable to fend for themselves
Etc, etc, etc...


Tom - I, for one, appreciate your pocketing your cigarette butts.

And for what it's worth, despite being a non-smoker I know I'm still offensive in many ways, shapes, and forms.

[wendy]

well i know i am not perfect and i know i probably do things that annoy others, but if no one tells me "hey wendy I hate when you do _________" then I won't ever know not to do it anymore.

[cob]

well i know i am not perfect and i know i probably do things that annoy others, but if no one tells me "hey wendy I hate when you do _________" then I won't ever know not to do it anymore.

And if you go around trying not to offend any one, ever, in any way, shape, or form??? Who are you then?

I'll tell you what Wendy: I will except you the way you are, with all your faults and foibles (why? because you're a human, and I wouldn't have you any other way),

if you will do the same for me. In addition, I will try not to inflict my second hand smoke upon you.

tom

[Evan G]

Cob wrote:

I'll tell you what Wendy: I will except you the way you are, with all your faults and foibles (why? because you're a human, and I wouldn't have you any other way), if you will do the same for me.

Isn't that way it should be, wonderfully put cob! Talking Human to human nothing more!