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Word to describe small "caves"

PostPosted: Oct 7, 2009 6:31 pm
by Squirrel Girl
I am looking for a single word (or very short phrase or even an acronym) to describe all small, cave-like cavities in the earth, regardless of origin-but with an opening to the surface. Can anyone come with a word that encompasses small "caves," "karst features" (in the lingo of the NPS), vugs, enlarge joints, rock shelters, etc?

TIA,
SG

Re: Word to describe small "caves"

PostPosted: Oct 7, 2009 6:43 pm
by Phil Winkler
Earth holes....

Re: Word to describe small "caves"

PostPosted: Oct 7, 2009 6:50 pm
by Squirrel Girl
Phil Winkler wrote:Earth holes....

Doesn't quite have a "speleological" sound to it. Too informal (to me). Hmmmm. Hmmmm.

Thanks for the suggestion, though.

Re: Word to describe small "caves"

PostPosted: Oct 7, 2009 7:31 pm
by Steven Johnson
Squirrel Girl wrote:I am looking for a single word (or very short phrase or even an acronym) to describe all small, cave-like cavities in the earth, regardless of origin-but with an opening to the surface.


"cavelet" ?

Re: Word to describe small "caves"

PostPosted: Oct 7, 2009 8:54 pm
by ArCaver
Would proto-cave work or is that only used for solution cavities? How about "porta"?

Re: Word to describe small "caves"

PostPosted: Oct 7, 2009 10:34 pm
by NZcaver
"Leads?" "Potential digs?" "Dry holes?" :doh:

Re: Word to describe small "caves"

PostPosted: Oct 8, 2009 3:24 am
by Squirrel Girl
NZcaver wrote:"Leads?" "Potential digs?" "Dry holes?" :doh:

Dood--we're in "speleology" not "exploration"!!! :roll:

ArCaver wrote:Would proto-cave work or is that only used for solution cavities? How about "porta"?

Can't do. "Proto" means "early" indicating an evolving scenario. I think there's a protoceratops because later there's a triceratops.

Steven, Not totally happy with cavelet, but it's a thought.

Perhaps an acronym is the best plan (but something better than I've done): OCCVVRSE: Overhangs, cracks, crevices, vugs, voids, rock shelters, etc.

Re: Word to describe small "caves"

PostPosted: Oct 8, 2009 8:14 am
by wyandottecaver
SOEV....Surface Opening Earth Void ?

Re: Word to describe small "caves"

PostPosted: Oct 8, 2009 8:15 am
by Phil Winkler
How about karst cavity?

Re: Word to describe small "caves"

PostPosted: Oct 8, 2009 8:56 am
by John Lovaas
Barbara-

Maybe we've come full circle back to "cavity"?

In a literary sense, "cavity" could imply a small and defined size; a "void" could imply an undefinable (and potentially large) space.

I've used the term "cavelet" before; "that cave is less than 1 I.C.U. (Iowa Cave Unit) long, so it is a cavelet." I've heard a number of karst folks use the term. If it is too short to survey, doesn't have a distinct overhang (which would make it a rock shelter), isn't lined with crystals or mineralizations (which would make it a vug), but is humanly enterable- yes, a cavelet.

But if it isn't humanly enterable, is it a cavelet? If a raccoon can use it, but not a human, it's more a cavity than a cavelet.

Then there's the term "pud cave". As in "it's not worth surveying; it's just a pud cave."

Re: Word to describe small "caves"

PostPosted: Oct 8, 2009 9:23 am
by Anonymous_Coward
When I did a lot of ridgewalking back in AZ I used to call these "micro-caves." I found a lot of them, but being from TN I could not bring myself to call anything less than 50 feet a "cave." So anything less than 50 that I could get into became a micro-cave.

Jean Krejca refers to the little bedding plane partings and anastomoses that are too small for humans but provide habitat for small creatures as "mesocaverns." Maybe this would work for you. Mesocaverns at least sounds sort of speleological if that is what you are going for.

Re: Word to describe small "caves"

PostPosted: Oct 8, 2009 10:17 am
by onebat
"wannabes"

Re: Word to describe small "caves"

PostPosted: Oct 8, 2009 11:29 am
by Scott McCrea
"karstivots"
"karstimples"
"innies"
"den"
"karsthole"
"punt" w

Re: Word to describe small "caves"

PostPosted: Oct 8, 2009 1:13 pm
by caveflower
Around here we call them Dudholes. Karst features. DGA's Don't go anywhere.

Re: Word to describe small "caves"

PostPosted: Oct 8, 2009 1:34 pm
by NZcaver
Squirrel Girl wrote:
NZcaver wrote:"Leads?" "Potential digs?" "Dry holes?" :doh:

Dood--we're in "speleology" not "exploration"!!! :roll:

Ah, but if you're not 'exploring' them, how do you know they exist? :shrug: :roll: