Well yes but I was wondering about some specifics because I know there are some caves that are normally closed in the area but sometimes at least for MARs exceptions are made. So if one of the usually closed caves will be available during the MUD Fest that would make me more interested and likely to come. Also, I have already been to several caves in the area including Ruperts and Penn Aqua in Mifflin County, McAllisterville in Juniata County, and Flemings and Kooken in Huntingdon County (I went to these during past MARs and the 2013 NSS Convention). So if all the cave trips were all caves I had already been to I might not be as interested. But if I knew of some specifics for cave trips I would be more likely to go. Thanks.