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[TinY]

I was pre registered for the Fall VAR but could not attend due to work commitments. Sorry I missed another great caving event and sorry I missed the party. If I would have been there I would have been in the thick of it, especially the party.
Now some thoughts for those who want to point fingers and complain from behind some anonymous screen name about things.
Those who are normally part of such evenings but chose to jump on the band wagon and complain because it seems politically correct at the time please read twice. (You and you know who you are.)
To those who are kind enough to let me know when my noise is disturbing you face to face so I can take it else where and you can sleep, thank you for being a caver. You have my respect and consideration brecasuse you are not anonymous.

If you camp beside the bonfire you will get little sleep because cavers hang out there and party!

If you camp beside the pavilion you will get little sleep because cavers hang out there and party!

If you camp beside the band or DJ setup you will get little sleep because cavers hang out there and party!

If you camp beside the refreshments you will get little sleep because cavers hang out there and party!

If you camp beside the all night registration area you will get little sleep because cavers hang out there trying to get to the party.

If you camp beside my camp you will get little sleep because cavers hang out there and party after the party.

If you camp beside the porta johns you will get little sleep because the doors will slam all night long from caver visits after the party.

Event planners take note, my hat is off to the Maine Convention Planning Committee. They actually designated the noisy section of their event campground to be the same area around all of the sites mentioned above. My camp was directly across from all of these because I could read the sign.
If you are tired go to sleep!
"TinY"

[George Dasher]

I wasn't at the Fall VAR either, but I was at the Spring VAR.

The same situation occured there, and I wasn't camped anywhere near the party. The music was just plain TOOO TOOO loud. Fortunately, it was also short lived.

I know cavers like to party, but there has to be a compromise. My nephew, who is 20, told me that many people packed up and left the Fall VAR in the middle of the night because of the loud music.

Sorry, Tiny, but my gut feeling is that, at this event, the people complaining have the right of it. The volume needs to be turned down.

And you forgot to mention that, if you camp next to the outhouses, there may be a bad smell. That's my chief reason for not camping near them. And I camped near you at the MI Convention--your campsite was very quiet. Guess you were in the hot tub.

[caverbob]

The Music does not have to be played so load that no where in the campgroung can it not be heard. The volumn can go way down and people can still dance to it and it would be nice if people were trying to talk about lets say caving at a caving event that they can hear each other talk. For my thought a good VAR and / or MAR can be had without the music.

[Plethodon]

The volumn can go way down and people can still dance to it and it would be nice if people were trying to talk about lets say caving at a caving event that they can hear each other talk.

Dear Bob
I can agree to this. Music is lovely only Americans think more is better even so loud musice become how you say, shattering to the head? Cavers can listen to each other but is good when no person needs to shout to hear if person is close enought to touch other person?

(Tnx to all. Ame learning English better with typing here. )

[NZcaver]

I'm with you guys on this one

Music doesn't have to played at an ear-splitting, head-pounding volume to be enjoyed. Likewise, there's a time and place for loud caver discussions and yahooing - but it's not in the wee hours next to people who are trying to sleep! Granted, common sense dictates some areas at caving events are going to be noisier than others - and you should avoid them if sleep is a priority for you.

In my mind caving is a social activity - both above and below ground. I do enjoy a few drinks and some good hearty discussions at caving events, often lasting into the wee hours. I try not to socialize near where others are sleeping. If I do disturb someone, I hope they'll politely ask me to be quiet or move away, rather than biting their lip and harboring resentment. I certainly speak up when others disturb me, usually politely and most often with favorable results.

Sorry to stereotype, but a caver gathering is not a biker gathering - or a teenage beach party, for that matter. Even though some very respectable individuals are both cavers and bikers (or cavers and teenagers), the general mood at caver gatherings should suit most cavers. For this reason, OTR (which many consider the ultimate caving party) requires attendees to be members. To become a member, you are sponsored by another member - who is basically testifying that you are a "legitimate" caver. In theory, anyway. :lol:

[Scott Shaw]

Now some thoughts for those who want to point fingers and complain from behind some anonymous screen name about things.

Talk about anonymous posters while you sign as "TinY".

[Mike Hood]

Now some thoughts for those who want to point fingers and complain from behind some anonymous screen name about things.

Talk about anonymous posters while you sign as "TinY".

Click on TinY's profile at the bottom. He gives his full name.

[Squirrel Girl]

Now some thoughts for those who want to point fingers and complain from behind some anonymous screen name about things.

Talk about anonymous posters while you sign as "TinY".

Yeah, I wondered when that was posted, if someone would think that. But TinY goes by TinY and has for the past few years I've known him. Kind of like all my mountain biking buddies know me as SG, and a lot of them wouldn't know whom you were talking about if you said, "Barbara."

He's published articles in the NSS News, though I can't remember if he used, "TinY." I'll bet he did, though he might have used his full name, too.

[Scott Shaw]

My appologies. Should have looked further.

[Squirrel Girl]

My appologies. Should have looked further.

*I* don't think apologies are needed. If you didn't know him, it seemed to me, like someone might find it almost hypocritical. I'm just pointing out that that's just who he is. Personally, I think "TinY" is a weird name. Makes me want to configure it as "IronY" or "ZincY" or maybe even "MagnesiumY." But then I'm Squirrel Girl How weird is that? :lol:

[Cindy Heazlit]

Personally, I think "TinY" is a weird name. Makes me want to configure it as "IronY" or "ZincY" or maybe even "MagnesiumY." But then I'm Squirrel Girl How weird is that? :lol:

If you knew how he got his name, you wouldn't think it weird.

TinY is a big guy. But somehow he makes it through those tight tiny SQeezES that pinch down and get big again. And he can make it through where smaller people can't.

Hence the name - totally appropriate when placed in context.

[Squirrel Girl]

It wasn't that his name was "Tiny." It was that it was "TinY." When I read that, it looked like "Tin" "Y" to me. And I just wonder why it's TinY and not MolybdenumY? I asked him and there's some reason for that final capital Y. It wasn't a rousing good tale, but made some kind of sense. But I still can't help seeing "tin" in the spelling with the last Y being capitalized.

But it's his name and he can call himself anything he wants to, even Late For Dinner.

And I have a weird nickname, myself, so it's not like I have any ground to stand on making a point of it. But I can't help seeing what I do in it.

[Caver1402]

I know this isn't in regards to the topic at hand ... but I'm curious, Squirrel Girl ... how did you get your nickname? I myself don't really have one ... yet. :-\

[Ralph E. Powers]

Isn't it all boiling down to just plain common courtesy?
Choosing a decent time to tone it all down (say 9:00 or 10:00 in the evening) is reasonable I think.
Yes you're there to have a good time and to party down with good folks you don't see that often but those good folk do have biological schedules attuned to their jobs and family life and thus making the adjustment to stay up is hard enough.
Either way... respect, is what it comes down to it.

[Squirrel Girl]

I know this isn't in regards to the topic at hand ... but I'm curious, Squirrel Girl ... how did you get your nickname? I myself don't really have one ... yet. :-\

Well, when I was a little girl, about 5 years old, I fell through the ice. My mom was up near the house, and a squirrel kept bothering her. It kept bouncing up toward her, then back toward the lake, kinda like Lassie. And the squirrel wound up saving my life!

Not! Just kidding. The real story is not a real story at all, so I figured I better make up a better one. I just saw a story on squirrels in National Geographic and then started feeding them in my back yard. Then I learned a lot about them, and when I needed to pick a name for a website log on once, I chose Squirrel Girl which I'd heard once before, and the rest is history. My current avatar is a photo of my pet real live dead squirrel. Cave Wench stuffed it as her first taxidermy project. But that was a long time ago, and the feller is worse for the wear.

BTW, it's far better if you pick your own nickname than letting some ratty guy start using one on you that you don't like, and then have it stick!

:lol: