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worst crawl

PostPosted: May 9, 2014 1:36 pm
by gindling
Someone recently asked me what was the crappiest crawl in an American cave I have ever seen. From the Historic entrance of DKSH with the evil chains to Bynum Cave's endless variety of crawls, I could think of so many. This got me to wondering, is there a crawl that is famous for being the crappiest in the states? Is there one that fills even the most foolhardy of cavers with fear when spoken of in hushed tones around a campfire?

Re: worst crawl

PostPosted: May 9, 2014 2:35 pm
by Caving Guru
The Hole (Boggs Cave) in Greenbrier County, West Virginia is known for its crawling I believe although I have never been in this cave myself.

Re: worst crawl

PostPosted: May 9, 2014 2:47 pm
by caver.adam
The (bad) things I've heard about Hell's Hole Pit in Indiana make me want to try it out, but I haven't had a chance to go explore it. I think this is a great timelapse video project to compare the contenders.

Re: worst crawl

PostPosted: May 9, 2014 3:06 pm
by trogman
The infamous "Blue Crawl" in Tumbling Rock. If you read the description in the convention guidebook Journeys through TAG, it'll make you never want to attempt it. It's not that long, but it is certainly difficult. Most people heading back into that part of the cave take the alternative, the Suicide Passage.

Trogman :helmet:

Re: worst crawl

PostPosted: May 9, 2014 6:51 pm
by Bumbalawski
Tanglefoot Cave in Western Maryland. It has many really long, wide and tight muddy crawls. Perhaps Corey or Ryan will will chime in about them. I know Terry McClanathan remembers them well.

Re: worst crawl

PostPosted: May 9, 2014 8:44 pm
by GroundquestMSA
This reminds me of the earlier topic, Your State's Toughest Cave

The crawls in Reif's Cave, Ohio are tough. I speak of them in weary tones, mostly because I know I'll be going back... someday. There's a tight 40' slop trough that we dug through to find about 1800' of new cave, and 1100' of that is a belly-crawl through the stream. About 2000' of the 2300' is a crawl of some sort.

I'm not much of a caver, and I can't comment on the truly notable crawls in good caving states, but I'm sure that almost anyone would be challenged by a trip to the end of Reif's.

Re: worst crawl

PostPosted: May 9, 2014 9:24 pm
by BrianFrank
My son (19) and his friend (18) did Blue Crab Crawl (Tumbling Rock) to the back of the cave and we went the the normal way. My son is very fit, thin and nothing usually phases him. When he met up with us he was scratched, bleeding and exhausted. He said it was brutal and at one point crawling (only wide enough to go sideways on your elbow) he lost his boot and it took him 20 minutes to inch backward and put it back on with just the aid of his other foot. It was too tight to reach back, turnaround or even see behind yourself. Not something he wants to do again.

Re: worst crawl

PostPosted: May 10, 2014 9:24 pm
by PatB
Hamilton cave, Franklin, WV has a place called the blower tube. You've got to strip down to your undies, and inch sideways on your ribs, one arm in front of you, the other straight back. You "feel" cave all around you and have to really relax your breathing and not go into panic state. It's probably a 20 or so foot of this that ends in a small dome pit like room about 10 feet off the floor. The worst thing about going through it is once you're done, you've got to go back through it to get out.

Re: worst crawl

PostPosted: May 10, 2014 10:04 pm
by Caving Guru
Yes, I have done what is known as the "Airblower" in Hamilton Cave, West Virginia. I didn't have to "strip to my undies" though. I didn't even have to take off my helmet.But it is true that you must inch sideways with one arm in front and one arm by your side. At least for me, getting through the Airblower was the easy part. But after making a long trip to the Bowl Room and back to the Airblower I was a little tired. It is also a little tricky getting yourself back in the Airblower because all you have is your arms to pull you back in. Your legs are just flailing in the 10 foot dome room. On the way back I did do a lot of relaxing and staying calm going back through the Airblower. You just can't panic.

Re: worst crawl

PostPosted: May 11, 2014 11:17 am
by l lambert
Bingo cave, pigeon mountain

Re: worst crawl

PostPosted: May 11, 2014 7:45 pm
by LukeM
trogman wrote:The infamous "Blue Crawl" in Tumbling Rock. If you read the description in the convention guidebook Journeys through TAG, it'll make you never want to attempt it. It's not that long, but it is certainly difficult. Most people heading back into that part of the cave take the alternative, the Suicide Passage.


I was with a group that went through the Blue Crawl and found it to be tight, but not particularly difficult. Just short enough to be a fun challenge and not a drawn out PITA. Definitely not a place for big cavers though. One person did end up pushing their boots ahead of them because they kept getting pulled off. :laughing: The sketchy climbs on either end were the most difficult thing. On the way back we decided to try the Suicide Passage and comically got lost in breakdown because we kept following arrows that pointed upward instead of staying low. Eventually we just headed back and did the Crawl again.

Re: worst crawl

PostPosted: May 11, 2014 8:07 pm
by DStud
l lambert wrote:Bingo cave, pigeon mountain


Does the bingo crawl lead to anything worth while? We stopped by on our way to a little pit over there and didn't feel like pushing the crawl... verns in that same general area also looked like someone had done a bunch of digging.

Re: worst crawl

PostPosted: May 11, 2014 9:30 pm
by DawgsgoCaving
DStud wrote:
l lambert wrote:Bingo cave, pigeon mountain


Does the bingo crawl lead to anything worth while? We stopped by on our way to a little pit over there and didn't feel like pushing the crawl... verns in that same general area also looked like someone had done a bunch of digging.


There's a small pit inside (maybe 15') we didn't go much further than that. Apparently the back is pretty dangerous, at least according to the GSS survey, we didn't go all the way back to check out why though.

Blue Crawl at Tumbling Rock is another good one. I couldn't believe a crawl of that caliber was there based on the rest of the cave we saw. My shoulder got pretty cut up pretty bad at one poi t going through it. Definitely a good place to take someone if they "really, really wants to go caving again." haha

Re: worst crawl

PostPosted: May 12, 2014 10:15 am
by trogman
Last time I went through the Blue Crawl was with my 3 children, probably about 10 or 12 years ago. I remember it well because I had told my youngest daughter that we would not be going that way. Then, when we got to the Christmas Tree, I had a change of heart, and decided to put it up for a vote. Her two older siblings sided with me, and we went that way instead of Suicide Passage. We had all been through the Blue Crawl before, and I'm not sure what possessed us to want to do it again. Anyway, my youngest daughter has never quite forgiven me, and hasn't gone caving with me again since. :sad: It was totally my fault, of course, as I should have kept my word and not gone that way.

Trogman :helmet:

Re: worst crawl

PostPosted: May 12, 2014 10:22 am
by gindling
Somehow, around the early 2000's, we were approached by Ken Ballew and his dreams of a 800ft pit inside of Lookout Mountain overlooking Chattanooga. He said that Bynum's Cave had SOME crawling, but that the last explorers in the late 80's had turned around in "subway sized borehole". We should have questioned things right there, like why hadn't anyone gone back if there was virgin borehole to be had, but Kent was very persuasive and we were hooked. So the night before the trip we called M.O.S. to see what it was really like seeing how he was one of the last people in there and what we should expect. He just sat there laughing and laughing, being vague, and told us to have fun and to come over and tell him about the trip when/if we returned, that was the second time that we should have questioned what we were about to undertake.

We met Ken and headed to the cave. He first handed out a good chunk of fresh 'sang for us to chew, for the energy he said, and we began our trip. I went first, through a crawl/squeeze of gravel and trash and broken glass and then I heard some exasperated grunting from behind and noticed the next in line was stuck. Luckily I had a shovel with me and by sliding the shovel under his chest I could slowly take out scoops of gravel until he dropped a few inches and made it through. There were many crawls after that in water, mud, sand, round cobble, sharp cobble, etc. After a few hours of this I come around a corner and find Ken, munching 'sang, and getting ready to take a nap. I start looking around at leads, wondering where the "borehole" is. Ken snaps out of his pre-nap, barks at me about how I'm climbing up the branches of the cave instead of scaling the trunk, and lays back down. I ask where the borehole is and he opens an eye and says "yer standing in it!". Funny idea of a borehole I think to myself and then realize we were swindled! He was just trying to get some foolhardy youths to push the grim leads, you could hardly drive a Tonka truck through here let alone a subway!

We pushed and pushed but never came out on top of Lookout Mountain like Ken said we were going to. And as we were heading back, into the horror, I look at my friends face, contorted in terror, as he whispers that he left his kneepads at the entrance!!! He apparently did't believe Ken about the crawling and said to himself, how bad could it be? The way out was long, and epic, and a full story in itself.